O/T Sustainability and all that shite

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eric olthwaite
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Re: O/T Sustainability and all that shite

Postby eric olthwaite » Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:23 pm

Give a man a fish and he’ll eat for a day,
Teach him how to fish and he’ll shave ten minutes off his half marathon PB?

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Re: O/T Sustainability and all that shite

Postby jackos » Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:53 pm

dirty leeds wrote:That would generate noxious emissions.


Compost him.

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Re: O/T Sustainability and all that shite

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Re: O/T Sustainability and all that shite

Postby Blackwhite » Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:05 pm

Find something evil, scratch away at it for a short while, and the name 'Blackstone' shall appear.
You know, I'm sick of following my dreams, man. I'm just going to ask where they're going and hook up with 'em later.

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Re: O/T Sustainability and all that shite

Postby eric olthwaite » Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:24 pm

dirty leeds wrote:Arron will be furious: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49500642


Mildly amusing to watch the live feed of her crossing NY harbour. The boat’s not under full sail and it still properly shifts. All the following media boats are bouncing about all over the shop trying to keep up.

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Re: O/T Sustainability and all that shite

Postby Devi » Mon Oct 07, 2019 9:20 am

Fair sure we've discussed the FB page 'I See You' before, but today's is a gem...

I see you, Greta Thunberg.
I see your unwavering glare, your face set with absolute determination. I hear the howling storm of indignation coming for you, for hell hath no fury like adults raging against their oncoming obsolescence. The backlash against you has been as predictable as it has been meaningless. Is it galling for those in power to be called out with such ire by the adorable little kiddies who are supposed to respect their elders? It must be, particularly when those kids absolutely refuse to coddle their egos and instead cut straight through the self-congratulatory bullshit. It’s an adult’s world, Greta Thunberg. Don’t you know you’re supposed to stay in your lane and go be a kid?
Therein lies the grotesque hypocrisy at the heart of it all - that the boomers and capitalists now burying their heads in the sand want to both have their Earth and eat it. Kids today are spoiled, self-involved, ungrateful little narcissists up to their elbows in the sort of exploitative tech and disposable consumerism that’s killing the planet, so how dare they then turn around and complain about it? The very same adults that are apparently disgusted by the shallowness of the social media age and the rampant consumption they’ve somehow blamelessly bred into their children are now appalled when a teenager from Sweden stands up and rallies against it. Kids today don’t know how lucky they are but heaven forbid they stand up and pressure their governments to make their lives less convenient for the greater good.
Then there’s the other argument - that this couldn’t possibly be coming from you, that you must be being exploited, that there is a sinister cabal of environmental lobbyists backing you up with their evil plans for stalling economic growth and plunging us all back into the ice ages. You’re just a child! How could you possibly be intelligent, conscientious and passionate, capable of making your own decisions and forging your own alliances? Only children who run away to join Isis do that. The rest are mindless babies.
But someone has to fly your boat crew back, Greta Thunberg! Look at you, eating food on a train, a train made of presumably turtle-choking plastic and hydrocarbons. You’re using a microphone! A microphone made of industrially produced components and dolphin tears! How can you preach to us, when by the very act of existing you’re such a hypocrite?
It’s the same hollow nonsense espoused by every clod-skulled idiot who thinks they’re successfully combating the message without even realising they’re shouting at a different channel. If you could do enough to change the world by living in a carbon-offset biodegradable yurt, living off organic lichen and planting a tree for every fart you accidentally released you’d do it, Greta Thunberg. The point is that wouldn’t exactly get the message across, would it?
Yes, we all need to take some responsibility for our individual actions on a micro level. If nothing else, the simple everyday actions we can all take go some way to instilling the sense of collective accountability that we all need to be feeling. Unfortunately for all that, the fact of the matter remains that we can give up all the plastic straws and go vegan twice a week as much as we like and it would remain a drop of poison in the ocean compared to the damage caused by industry and policy.
The correct response to that is not a sense of abject pointlessness. The correct response is to get angry and pile on the pressure on the dinosaurs and lobbyists who ceaselessly pursue the short-term gains throttling the planet. If their best argument is ‘but China’ then they have no fucking argument. If you pass a beating on the street, do you pile on, or do you intervene? Do you help with kicking the shit out of the hippy, or do you stand up to your own government and suggest that maybe we should do a few less of the street beatings, before we’ve all thoroughly kicked the shit out of ourselves?
Even if you’re sceptical of the climate science (and why wouldn’t you be? You don’t need a PHD to ignore facts and read Breitbart) there is absolutely no common-sense argument for continuing to rely on the increasingly finite resources our planet has offered up for our ceaseless expansion and exploitation. The shift is coming and it’s a simple matter of either taking bold decisions to act now or absolutely floundering ones to act when we have no other choice. We can continue to grease ourselves into a corner, killing off our planet’s biodiversity and ecosystems as we go, or we can do now what we’re eventually going to have to do anyway.
The only question is whether we let the roadblocks stall us. And you, Greta Thunberg? You know exactly what the roadblocks are and you know where to find them.
I see you in your iconic yellow raincoat, your boots splashing on the floor of the sewer. I hear your footsteps echoing down the tunnel, a drumbeat announcing your arrival. From somewhere far away in the dark I hear the giggling, the grotesque celebration of a creature lurking in the darkness. A creature who’s never before faced a challenger like you.
I see it, Greta Thunberg, as you emerge into the cavern of the sewer junction. I see the vortex swirling, a host of twisted faces in a slowly-turning funnel of rot and petrol and ocean plastic. I see the swarms of bees, sluggish, spiralling in their death throes as they twist and turn, born aloft not by their own wings but by the poisoned currents of the beast.
This is its true form, a geyser of tar-slicked banknotes, gouts of industrial fire flickering across its surface. I see the corpses of cormorants drifting aimlessly in the noxious air. They all float down here, Greta Thunberg.
I see the dread thing coalesce, faces bubbling out of the slick, revealing wild eyes and yellow teeth. The oilmen and politicians, sneering, snarling. They rule by fear, drawing everything around them down into the mire.
I see the corner of your mouth lift into a smirk, Greta Thunberg. I see the pinwheeling eyes considering you pause and lock for a moment, hesitant, never before confronted by a force like this.
They’ve thrown all they had at you, expecting fear as they always have. It’s not for you though, is it?
You’ve got zero fucks to give and you’ve come for all of them.
You see them, Greta Thunberg. You fucking see them.
I like it. What is it?

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Re: O/T Sustainability and all that shite

Postby Devi » Tue Oct 08, 2019 6:05 pm

Nail, meet head?

I like it. What is it?

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Re: O/T Sustainability and all that shite

Postby kennyb41 » Wed Oct 09, 2019 4:40 pm

Capitalism, democracy, reet clever fckers us humans are and masters of not only our downfall.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/empoweri ... ailsignout

Reet i'm off looking fert Asia flight again.

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Re: O/T Sustainability and all that shite

Postby Blackwhite » Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:58 am

XR blocking Billingsgate market seems a pretty strong sign that they're losing the calm specificity of their message in a thousand booji/woke directions at once.

Stop burning fossil fuels, stop eating beef, stop eating other meats, stop single use plastics, all fine and understood... and now stop eating fish because "they make friends and we strip them from their warm wet beds" etfc.

Fuck off. What next before you even make some progress, live in a tee-pee? Am I allowed to ride a horse if I'm not allowed a car? Or only if the horse signs a contract and I provide a union rep?


Pick a message and stick to it folks, or people will just think you're the smelly hippies they want to paint you as.
You know, I'm sick of following my dreams, man. I'm just going to ask where they're going and hook up with 'em later.

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Re: O/T Sustainability and all that shite

Postby eric olthwaite » Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:16 am

Me and Mrs O are working on the principle of trying to make some sort of positive change every couple of weeks / month. One minor thing: we gave up on shampoo* and bodywash, just use soap that comes in a cardboard box. It's a little cheering not to be binning plastic bottles every week or two, and I think it probably works out cheaper overall.

*Yes, Mrs O has always been a skinhead too. Probably harder to buy into if your other half has Rapunzel-esque flowing locks.

I also bought an old school safety razor as I was pissed off about chucking out the un-recyclable plastic heads with 27 blades and all that. I admit this one's more of a struggle because it needs a bit more time and care, and I'm rarely up for that first thing in a morning.

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Re: O/T Sustainability and all that shite

Postby Ponte » Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:57 am

eric olthwaite wrote:I also bought an old school safety razor as I was pissed off about chucking out the un-recyclable plastic heads with 27 blades and all that. I admit this one's more of a struggle because it needs a bit more time and care, and I'm rarely up for that first thing in a morning.

Beard trimmer on shortest setting :thumbl:
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Re: O/T Sustainability and all that shite

Postby topbin » Tue Nov 26, 2019 11:52 am

eric olthwaite wrote:Me and Mrs O are working on the principle of trying to make some sort of positive change every couple of weeks / month. One minor thing: we gave up on shampoo* and bodywash, just use soap that comes in a cardboard box. It's a little cheering not to be binning plastic bottles every week or two, and I think it probably works out cheaper overall.

*Yes, Mrs O has always been a skinhead too. Probably harder to buy into if your other half has Rapunzel-esque flowing locks.

I also bought an old school safety razor as I was pissed off about chucking out the un-recyclable plastic heads with 27 blades and all that. I admit this one's more of a struggle because it needs a bit more time and care, and I'm rarely up for that first thing in a morning.


Aye, there's lots of little changes you can make - Mrs Bin does the legwork finding them out, and then we take on what we can. Use a re-use shop for staples like pasta, rice etc., big old paper bags of flour and ingredients for bread-making, shampoo bars and soap bars (can get from lush if you're rich, otherwise can get from various online site) are a nice easy one and make no/little difference to life. Similarly, washing up liquid/washing powder/fabric conditioner you can get a huge bag from Suma and it lasts 3-6 months with one set of plastic rather than tens. Milk bottles delivered is much better as well (nicer milk as well as no plastic!).

One thing we did try but didn't work was a washing up bar, created no suds and got no grease off anything. Back to liquid (albeit bulk-bought).

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Re: O/T Sustainability and all that shite

Postby eric olthwaite » Tue Nov 26, 2019 12:01 pm

topbin wrote:Aye, there's lots of little changes you can make - Mrs Bin does the legwork finding them out, and then we take on what we can. Use a re-use shop for staples like pasta, rice etc., big old paper bags of flour and ingredients for bread-making, shampoo bars and soap bars (can get from lush if you're rich, otherwise can get from various online site) are a nice easy one and make no/little difference to life. Similarly, washing up liquid/washing powder/fabric conditioner you can get a huge bag from Suma and it lasts 3-6 months with one set of plastic rather than tens. Milk bottles delivered is much better as well (nicer milk as well as no plastic!).

One thing we did try but didn't work was a washing up bar, created no suds and got no grease off anything. Back to liquid (albeit bulk-bought).


Yep. It’s also kind of interesting doing the whole research thing, rather than just buying whichever clothes wash is 5p cheaper that week, which provides its own sense of satisfaction.

There’s a couple of refillables shops in Lewes but they’re expensive as fuck and not that great a range. Really good one in Brighton, though.

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Re: O/T Sustainability and all that shite

Postby Quiffy » Tue Nov 26, 2019 12:30 pm

Aye, there's lots of little changes you can make - Mrs Bin does the legwork finding them out, and then we take on what we can. Use a re-use shop for staples

:salute: such dedicated stationary recycling is admirable.
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