YES that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football IS good enough for Leeds United

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Re: YES that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football IS good enough for Leeds United

Postby Yeboah » Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:31 am

Professor Weeto wrote:
Yeboah wrote:We celebrate a losers award now?


I think we were just having a wry smile, mate. Try it!


Ah, the 'playing good football but not achieving anything joke'

Good one, got ya.

:roll:

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Re: YES that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football IS good enough for Leeds United

Postby welshwhite » Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:44 am

Yeboah wrote:
Professor Weeto wrote:
Yeboah wrote:We celebrate a losers award now?


I think we were just having a wry smile, mate. Try it!


Ah, the 'playing good football but not achieving anything joke'

Good one, got ya.

:roll:


I'd go back to route one hoofball football instantly if it meant we'd get promoted this season.

We should have gone long ball when our winning results stopped towards the end of last season.

We became too predictable and paid a heavy price :thumbd:

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Re: YES that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football IS good enough for Leeds United

Postby dirty leeds » Tue Sep 24, 2019 10:05 am

Yeboah wrote:
Professor Weeto wrote:
Yeboah wrote:We celebrate a losers award now?


I think we were just having a wry smile, mate. Try it!


Ah, the 'playing good football but not achieving anything joke'

Good one, got ya.

:roll:


No. Not that joke at all. It has absolutely nothing to do with that.
The 'wry smiles' are simply because we used to be known as 'Dirty Leeds' and here we are being given an award for something our manager did that not all of us thought he should have done in the first place [including Pontus]. In the same season as we were done for Spygate.
And we really don't give a shit about it either - the award itself.
Got it now?

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Re: YES that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football IS good enough for Leeds United

Postby thestraw » Tue Sep 24, 2019 10:39 am

Yeboah wrote:We celebrate a losers award now?

Has Fat Frank won an award too?
#MOT #GAWA

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Re: YES that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football IS good enough for Leeds United

Postby Blackwhite » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:06 am

thestraw wrote:
Yeboah wrote:We celebrate a losers award now?

Has Fat Frank won an award too?

Yebore would be pulling his cock off if so.
You know, I'm sick of following my dreams, man. I'm just going to ask where they're going and hook up with 'em later.

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Re: YES that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football IS good enough for Leeds United

Postby dirty leeds » Wed Sep 25, 2019 1:22 pm

From The Torygraph:
Mark Chapman’s face was a picture on Monday night. The broadcaster dissolved into uproarious, scornful bemusement, a crying with laughter emoji made Lancastrian flesh, when he informed his guests on Five Live that Leeds United and Marcelo Bielsa had been given a Fifa Fair Play Award.
In the studio Micah Richards and Chris Sutton treated the news as if it were the sickest of jokes. Fifa had rewarded Leeds for the moment in their penultimate match of the season when the manager ordered his players to allow Aston Villa to equalise, a goal which killed off their vanishing chances of automatic promotion. “Do previous misdemeanours not count?” asks Sutton, presumably referring to the pearl-clutching hysteria spawned by January’s so-called ‘Spygate’, the details of which were expertly spun until Leeds were formally reprimanded and fined for a breach of “good faith” rather than for breaking any existing regulation.
It captured the common reaction: that a man and his team who had been condemned could not possibly warrant recognition for an honourable act, never mind that Paolo Di Canio was similarly commended in 2001 for refusing to exploit Paul Gerrard’s injury during West Ham’s match against Everton a couple of years after he had shoved the referee Paul Alcock to the ground. Which was the more heinous ‘misdemeanour’, Bielsa’s breach of protocol, or Di Canio’s of the laws of the game? Which was greeted with the contempt Gore Vidal reserved for Henry Kissinger receiving the Nobel Peace Prize?

Little wonder, then, that Leeds United supporters smell double standards. The outrage of other fans amuses them, as if Fifa has effectively trolled or flicked two fingers to the rest of the English game on their behalf, ensuring the ‘Dirty Leeds’ cliche receives another of its regular airings. But it masks a salient point. How come, for example, are players who were fined for their regrettable behaviour in the aftermath of 9/11 venerated throughout the game? Does being perceived as an insider afford some football figures the kind of understanding and protection denied the likes of Bielsa?
Leeds United have been getting up people’s noses for 55 years, ever since they were promoted to the First Division under Don Revie and arrived with an outlaw reputation burnished by a misleading Football Association disciplinary table which tarred the first team with the youth and reserve sides’ indiscretions. The players who served in that golden age for the club have long since given up caring what others think of them. They have the respect of their peers and, crucially, of each other, an unbreakable bond forged in defiance of sustained criticism and grotesque bad luck.
Bielsa’s 40 years in football and his loyalty to the integrity of his vision of the game insulate him from the snarking. But to malign him for scouting the opposition’s training and to employ it to scoff at his fitness for the award is to use a tiny fragment of the mosaic of his career and pass it off as the whole picture. In 15 months at Elland Road he has transformed the club, healing divisions, producing the finest football supporters have seen for nearly 20 years, and behaved at all times with unpretentious grace whether disturbed on his trips to Costa or Morrisons in Wetherby or in his divergence from the managerial custom of blaming referees for set-backs.

Last year he donated £3m to his first cub and lifelong passion, Newells Old Boys, which he called a debt not a gift for the joy and opportunities they had given him. When ‘Spygate’ blew up he immediately took responsibility for it. There was no dissimulation or cover up. On his insistence the club accepted the Football League sanction without complaint and he settled the fine himself. As soon as he was made aware that the goal Mateusz Klich had scored against Villa was deemed to have fallen foul of the English football code, he made instant reparation.

When Bielsa twice found himself on the wrong side of the illogical rectitude of certain unwritten English football conventions, he apologised and tried to make amends. Leeds fans, like their greatest players, no longer expect anything other than stereotypical denunciations. But Bielsa, who continues to inspire coaches of the calibre of Pep Guardiola and Mauricio Pochettino, deserves better than the mockery of the football phone-in establishment.

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Re: YES that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football IS good enough for Leeds United

Postby dirty leeds » Wed Sep 25, 2019 1:28 pm

Or there's this in The Times:
Divine United? Leeds’ fair play award is just a mark of Fifa’s idiocy
rick broadbent


Oh this is rich. Dirty Leeds have won Fifa’s Fair Play award. No, come on, stop that sniggering at the back. Yes, the same Leeds who caused football to forget itself and go all moral over a bloke looking over a fence in Derby. And yes, the Leeds who inspired Brian Clough to football’s greatest ice-breaker on his first day at Elland Road: “The first thing you can do for me is to chuck all your medals and all your pans into the biggest f***ing dustbin you can find because you’ve never won any of them fairly – you’ve done it all by bloody cheating.”
To recap: In April Leeds drew 1-1 with Aston Villa. Leeds went 1-0 up through Mateusz Klich but he scored when a Villa player lay injured. Villa protested. Leeds protested back because they felt Jonathan Kodjia was exaggerating and, well, these things have been known.
No one, least of all Fifa, understands the Leeds manager Marcelo BielsaGEORGE WOOD/GETTY IMAGES
Enter Marcelo Bielsa, complicated thinker who treats every game as a bucket list while sitting on one. He ordered his side to let Villa score. So they did. Only Pontus Jansson, an old-school Swedish centre half with a penchant for scar tissue, demurred. He had a wild hack or two but the goal was duly scored. Jansson was sold. The game ended 1-1. Leeds were condemned to the play-offs where they lost to Frank Lampard and some less important folk. Well, that is how Fifa and the rest of Britain painted it anyway.
Of course Fifa having a fair play award is funny anyway, an oxymoron swathed in a lack of self-awareness. Think the Boston Strangler being asked to judge cravat of the year. Fifa explained: “The game finished 1-1, ultimately allowing their promotion rivals Sheffield United to guarantee their automatic spot in the Premier League at Leeds’ expense.”
In the real world the goal had no effect on Leeds’ season at all. Bielsa would have been drummed out of West Yorkshire if it had. Sheffield United had played the day before to go six points clear with a vastly superior goal difference. There was only one game of the season to go after Villa. Leeds had already blown it. Had Leeds won the match all they would have needed was a 12-0 win against Ipswich Town on the last day as long as Sheffield United lost. Leeds lost 3-2 as it happens but the point is this was both a novel act of sportsmanship and one that had no consequences (other than a Fifa gong). This is the Bielsa way — it’s never simple.
We probably should not mention Patrick Bamford’s low pain threshold when being attacked by osmosis by Ahmed El Ghazi in the same match either. The Villa player got a red card for that, but as with all tit-for-tat Twitter spats the teams were as bad as each other.
It is not just Leeds. All teams dive and play-act and time-waste. They cheat and cajole. It is just Leeds has become an easy byword for dirtiness. It is entirely fitting that they should now get an award because of something that has been wilfully misinterpreted. They have also been damned because of selective mythologizing.
Let’s take Spygate. Leeds sent someone to spy on Derby’s training. Football was outraged. We cheat, sleep with our friend’s wife, flout FFP and get high on nitrous oxide, but we don’t go looking over fences. I’m a Leeds supporter and it was obviously wrong if not against the rules, not a hanging offence but a fair cop.
Yet let’s be honest, the current scandal engulfing Liverpool is a different scale. Hacking into Manchester City’s scouting network makes Leeds’ forays into espionage look positively am-dram. It’s Inspector Clouseau versus Spectre. There has been nowhere near the same outcry.
Leeds have never had a monopoly on dirty deeds. Hard men have flirted with the rules elsewhere — Graeme Souness, Roy Keane, Duncan Ferguson, Mick Harford, Italy, the 1980s. Other clubs have had ugly, vile groups of fans who chant moronic offence.
It may be that Fifa are idiots. In fact that seems a given. What is clear is that in making this award they are not quite up to speed with the club history.
I thought it would be a cold day in hell before Leeds won such a trophy. Why? Brian Clough, Don Revie’s bribe allegations, Bobby Collins’ studs, Billy Bremner and Kevin Keegan in the Charity Shield, the European ban for rioting, the Lee Bowyer-Jonathan Woodgate trial, Ken Bates, GFH, early Batty, the ex-managing director banged up in a Dubai jail, the spy cameras in the boardroom, the reported plot to get Gary Kelly off the wage bill by breaking his legs, Cellino’s yacht tax. And for all the eulogising of Frank Lampard’s tactical nous in the playoff win over Leeds, the truth is a cynical shirt pull (penalty) and 70s-style two-footed lunge (red card) had a bit to do with losing that match. Liam Cooper, responsible for the former, picked up the Fifa award.
So let’s rejoice and celebrate this tale of forgiveness. It is proof that Leeds have got a manager who nobody understands, not Fifa, not Derby, not the pundits and, quite possibly, not many at Elland Road. He is still responsible for the quote of the year: “The fact that we are not taking care of the planet, our children will pay the consequence of our acts. And with football it will be the same.” He came up with another classic after that Villa goal. “We did not gift them a goal, we returned it.”
Who knows what he really thinks or why he still plays Bamford or whether he will ever accept a lift home from the training ground when it’s chucking it down, but this is the official seal of misunderstanding. It means Leeds are now topping the all-time fair play charts what with club legend Lucas Radebe winning this thing in 2000. So stop crying your eyes out and hail The Divine Utd.

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Re: YES that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football IS good enough for Leeds United

Postby throbbinrobin » Wed Sep 25, 2019 2:34 pm

Beautiful
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Re: YES that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football IS good enough for Leeds United

Postby moscowhite » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:29 pm

Worth pointing out that both those pieces are by Leeds fans — the Telegraph one is by Rob Bagchi — both top notch writers as well.
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Re: YES that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football IS good enough for Leeds United

Postby dirty leeds » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:33 pm

Just added a bit on the end of the first one [which I mis-copied]

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Re: YES that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football IS good enough for Leeds United

Postby rss1969 » Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:19 pm

Yeboah wrote:We celebrate a losers award now?


And it is worth noting that this above piece is by a Chelsea fan.....................not such a top notch writer though.

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Re: YES that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football IS good enough for Leeds United

Postby dirty leeds » Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:36 am


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Re: YES that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football IS good enough for Leeds United

Postby Ponte » Thu Sep 26, 2019 9:11 am

dirty leeds wrote:https://twitter.com/TheRicardoAlvez/status/1176922501814898688

That's fucking lovely.
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Re: YES that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football IS good enough for Leeds United

Postby dirty leeds » Thu Sep 26, 2019 9:17 am

Yeah, it's especially lovely when one of those results in a goal - like the Dallas one at Stoke.
That's what I want to see at Charlton on Saturday. Likely Lee's lads won't have played a team that moves exactly like us and we should be able to take advantage of that. Even if [and I expect they will] Charlton have tried to absorb what it is we do, we are now slick at it and [conversely] they are so unfamiliar, it could be distinctly in our favour.

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Re: YES that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football IS good enough for Leeds United

Postby Devi » Thu Sep 26, 2019 9:19 am

dirty leeds wrote:Yeah, it's especially lovely when one of those results in a goal - like the Dallas one at Stoke.
That's what I want to see at Charlton on Saturday. Likely Lee's lads won't have played a team that moves exactly like us and we should be able to take advantage of that. Even if [and I expect they will] Charlton have tried to absorb what it is we do, we are now slick at it and [conversely] they are so unfamiliar, it could be distinctly in our favour.


Well that's torn it...
I like it. What is it?

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Re: YES that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football IS good enough for Leeds United

Postby dirty leeds » Thu Sep 26, 2019 9:23 am

Devi wrote:
dirty leeds wrote:Yeah, it's especially lovely when one of those results in a goal - like the Dallas one at Stoke.
That's what I want to see at Charlton on Saturday. Likely Lee's lads won't have played a team that moves exactly like us and we should be able to take advantage of that. Even if [and I expect they will] Charlton have tried to absorb what it is we do, we are now slick at it and [conversely] they are so unfamiliar, it could be distinctly in our favour.


Well that's torn it...


:mrgreen:

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Re: YES that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football IS good enough for Leeds United

Postby Ballgirl » Thu Sep 26, 2019 9:39 am

I am sure this has been mentioned somewhere before but, I always feel we have more chance of fully expressing this form of football when we are away. At home - opposition have no qualms about packing behind the play - but when they play at home, more pressure on them (inc from their fans) to attack. Borne out by results so far this season of course. Expect at least one from Paddy on a Saturday! :thumbl:
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Re: YES that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football IS good enough for Leeds United

Postby Tycipa » Thu Sep 26, 2019 9:57 am

dirty leeds wrote:Yeah, it's especially lovely when one of those results in a goal - like the Dallas one at Stoke.
That's what I want to see at Charlton on Saturday. Likely Lee's lads won't have played a team that moves exactly like us and we should be able to take advantage of that. Even if [and I expect they will] Charlton have tried to absorb what it is we do, we are now slick at it and [conversely] they are so unfamiliar, it could be distinctly in our favour.

Just put the ball in the net ya bastards. Don’t you watch porno? Foreplay’s nice and all that but it’s the money shot we’re after.
Bielsa’s team-talk in an alternate universe.
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Re: YES that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football IS good enough for Leeds United

Postby dirty leeds » Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:01 am

Tycipa wrote:
dirty leeds wrote:Yeah, it's especially lovely when one of those results in a goal - like the Dallas one at Stoke.
That's what I want to see at Charlton on Saturday. Likely Lee's lads won't have played a team that moves exactly like us and we should be able to take advantage of that. Even if [and I expect they will] Charlton have tried to absorb what it is we do, we are now slick at it and [conversely] they are so unfamiliar, it could be distinctly in our favour.

Just put the ball in the net ya bastards. Don’t you watch porno? Foreplay’s nice and all that but it’s the money shot we’re after.
Bielsa’s team-talk in an alternate universe.


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Re: YES that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football IS good enough for Leeds United

Postby Vampire » Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:29 am

dirty leeds wrote:Or there's this in The Times:
Divine United? Leeds’ fair play award is just a mark of Fifa’s idiocy
rick broadbent






They were good articles, DL, but Fat Frank stills seems unconvinced.

Quite hilarious to see him still banging on about it.
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