Karl Marx - 200th anniversary

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Karl Marx - 200th anniversary

Postby Vampire » Sun May 06, 2018 9:06 am

5 May was the 200th anniversary of Marx’s birthday. Surprised we’ve had nothing from Oaf or Musta re “global capitalism.”

A towering intellectual - yet wrong about so much. And yet strangely doesn’t appear quite as much wrong in the 21st century as the 20th. Is he relevant today? Any thoughts?
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Re: Karl Marx - 200th anniversary

Postby Mustafaster » Sun May 06, 2018 9:20 am

It's not global capitalism you dunce, it's Global Capital.
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Re: Karl Marx - 200th anniversary

Postby Vampire » Sun May 06, 2018 9:23 am

Mustafaster wrote:It's not global capitalism you dunce, it's Global Capital.


I stand corrected. Any thoughts on Marx’s relevance today?
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Re: Karl Marx - 200th anniversary

Postby Son of Leeds » Sun May 06, 2018 9:42 am

Karl Marx: wrong on analysis of price, which he thought was cost of work + materials + profit, silly bugger, which leaves supply and demand out of the question.
Wrong on the inevitability of communist revolution, and the dictatorship of the proletariat leading to a withering of the state.
Seriously underestimated the blocks to worker unity across nations, as though language, history, inherited suspicions and hatreds could evaporate.
Overstated worker alienation. Yes, but some workers took great pride in the prestige of their firms and the quality of the products. Shipbuilders on the Clyde proud of the big ships, Nottinghamshire lace-workers bragging about their dominance of the trade etc.
Wrong that revolution would come in an advanced capitalist state, and not poor ole Russia.

Right on understanding that culture is always related in some way to underlying power relations. That's an accepted assumption, though how it works in practice is always a matter of debate.
Some great lines. 'From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.' 'A spectre is haunting Europe, the spectre of Communism.' 'Workers of the world unite. You have nothing to lose but your chains.'

that's Marx done. Nietzche anyone?

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Re: Karl Marx - 200th anniversary

Postby Mustafaster » Sun May 06, 2018 9:59 am

Vampire wrote:
Mustafaster wrote:It's not global capitalism you dunce, it's Global Capital.


I stand corrected. Any thoughts on Marx’s relevance today?

Don't think he's particularly relevant tbh, other than as an important historical figure in political philosophy.
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Re: Karl Marx - 200th anniversary

Postby Vampire » Sun May 06, 2018 10:05 am

Son of Leeds wrote:Karl Marx: wrong on analysis of price, which he thought was cost of work + materials + profit, silly bugger, which leaves supply and demand out of the question.
Wrong on the inevitability of communist revolution, and the dictatorship of the proletariat leading to a withering of the state.
Seriously underestimated the blocks to worker unity across nations, as though language, history, inherited suspicions and hatreds could evaporate.
Overstated worker alienation. Yes, but some workers took great pride in the prestige of their firms and the quality of the products. Shipbuilders on the Clyde proud of the big ships, Nottinghamshire lace-workers bragging about their dominance of the trade etc.
Wrong that revolution would come in an advanced capitalist state, and not poor ole Russia.

Right on understanding that culture is always related in some way to underlying power relations. That's an accepted assumption, though how it works in practice is always a matter of debate.
Some great lines. 'From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.' 'A spectre is haunting Europe, the spectre of Communism.' 'Workers of the world unite. You have nothing to lose but your chains.'

that's Marx done. Nietzche anyone?

Leeds 3 QPR 0, Roofe, Alioski, Phillips. Heckingbottom's reputation revived. You heard it hear first.


Yes, wrong about all of that. But right on economics driving politics and society? And right about the nature of capitalist enterprise to seek monopoly and rent - hence increasing relevance today where the political class is too feeble (or corrupt) to effectively regulate competition. And whilst wrong about driving wages down possibly right about increasing inequality hence the potency of Pikkerty’s recent work? And even alientation takes on a new relevance in the age of the gig economy, uber, etc. Do you not see any relevance for Marx today?
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Re: Karl Marx - 200th anniversary

Postby john1565 » Tue May 08, 2018 7:26 am

Vampire wrote:5 May was the 200th anniversary of Marx’s birthday. Surprised we’ve had nothing from Oaf or Musta re “global capitalism.”

A towering intellectual - yet wrong about so much. And yet strangely doesn’t appear quite as much wrong in the 21st century as the 20th. Is he relevant today? Any thoughts?


People started to think that Marx lost relevancy in the back in 1990. But, his importance is rising. None is 100% right. But, Marx's approach and method to solve problem is relevant still today. He was not only was a philosopher, economist, & historian but also a political theorist. If anyone is interested to know more about him quickly, he can give a short tour on Marx's life from wikitour . Finally, we can debate on whether communism was good, but we all should agree that discrimination must be reduced to make the world better.

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Re: Karl Marx - 200th anniversary

Postby Son of Leeds » Tue May 08, 2018 7:45 am

Of course Marx is 'relevant'. He's relevant to the history of positivist thought: he's relevant to the history of radical politics and its consequences. He's relevant to the culture of slogan politics. He's relevant to many of the orthodoxies of modern political concepts: class, alienation, superstructure, globalisation, boom and bust - these ways of describing the world arose from his work and those like him. Of course, if you mean by 'relevant', 'Did he say anything that tells us what to do about x?' then, no, he's not 'relevant'. But on that basis neither is Descartes, Anselm, Wittgenstein, Kant, Shakespeare, Dorothy L. Sayers or Billy Bremner.

We are teased and delighted and fascinated by everything that is not 'relevant' in that narrow utilitarian sense. Beauty, for instance, and football.
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