Чемпионат мира по футболу 2018

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Re: Чемпионат мира по футболу 2018

Postby Quiffy » Tue May 15, 2018 6:21 pm

Yeboah wrote:
Quiffy wrote:the squad's officially out tomorrow, but john cross reckons that jack wilshere is out whilst ex-leeds left back duo delph and rose are in....
GOALKEEPERS Pickford, Butland, Pope.

DEFENDERS Trippier, Walker, Stones, Jones, Maguire, Rose, Young.

MIDFIELDERS Dier, Henderson, Delph, Livermore, Lallana, Loftus-Cheek, Alli, Sterling, Lingard.

ATTACKERS Kane, Vardy Rashford, Welbeck.


That's the worst England squad ever assembled.

i thought avengers assembled nowadays.

that list of names doesn't exactly whet the appetite. ashley young defying the age barrier, it is ashley young isn't it and it's not me losing it? henderson and livermore are two of the most pedestrian uninspiring selections ever, surely it'd have been worth having wilshere in instead of livermore? at least he could create something during the coming 0-0 at 80 minutes snore fest qualifier if we need it.

i always remember listening to roy hodgson, after managing sweden (?) but before england, saying if he had his time again he wold have opted for more 'good characters' when filling the squad because they have a positive influence on morale, which just makes the inclusion of livermore and young all the more perplexing.

anyhow this may not be the official squad, so...
increasing doubt, decreasing hope, even my imaginary friend went and changed his mind.

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Re: Чемпионат мира по футболу 2018

Postby Phatphil65 » Tue May 15, 2018 7:48 pm

That midfield is utter fucking gash. A true reflection on the paucity of English players in the EPL. I bet Panama are shitting their pants and looking for a hotel for the 2nd round.

Wilshere is undoubtedly a cunt, but fuck me, Henderson and Dier? I could piss more creativity.

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Re: Чемпионат мира по футболу 2018

Postby Yeboah » Tue May 15, 2018 8:25 pm

Phatphil65 wrote:That midfield is utter fucking gash. A true reflection on the paucity of English players in the EPL. I bet Panama are shitting their pants and looking for a hotel for the 2nd round.

Wilshere is undoubtedly a cunt, but fuck me, Henderson and Dier? I could piss more creativity.


Dier I understand because he can play CB too and in limited numbers squad, versatility is useful.

Henderson, yes 100% agree.

Wilshere and Shelvey should be in.

In what parallel universe is Jake Livermore even a EPL starter never mind an international??

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Re: Чемпионат мира по футболу 2018

Postby Mr Reality » Tue May 15, 2018 9:23 pm

Phatphil65 wrote:That midfield is utter fucking gash. A true reflection on the paucity of English players in the EPL. I bet Panama are shitting their pants and looking for a hotel for the 2nd round.

Wilshere is undoubtedly a cunt, but fuck me, Henderson and Dier? I could piss more creativity.


Loftus cheek could be the one to watch he has been done well for palace. Think we will see either dier or walker on the right of the back three.

Delph is the other option particularly given how the many city full backs drift inside and play in midfield.

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Re: Чемпионат мира по футболу 2018

Postby dirty leeds » Wed May 16, 2018 7:59 am

Mr Reality wrote:
Phatphil65 wrote:That midfield is utter fucking gash. A true reflection on the paucity of English players in the EPL. I bet Panama are shitting their pants and looking for a hotel for the 2nd round.

Wilshere is undoubtedly a cunt, but fuck me, Henderson and Dier? I could piss more creativity.


Loftus cheek could be the one to watch he has been done well for palace. Think we will see either dier or walker on the right of the back three.

Delph is the other option particularly given how the many city full backs drift inside and play in midfield.


Agree with that - my only caveat is that we would be asking him to do what he does with such confidence at Palace in an England shirt, in a world cup. If he can do that, he could well be a good option for us.
But I don't agree with others on here about Henderson. Obviously, it being international football, you only get to pick from who's available, so the field of candidates for his position is not large and/or especially impressive just now. I have never been a massive Henderson fan BUT he's just had his best season ever for Liverpool and he has the experience/nouse to play his defensive midfield role in a two [4-2-3-1] or as central pivot if [as is more likely] we set up 3-5-2, with the other two midfielders allowed to push forward. Who else can do that? Wilshere can't: his role is further forward and [for me] while he runs with the ball quite well he isn't fast enough over the ground. Shelvey is a very good passer but his indiscipline has let him down all his career. [I'd still probably have him in the squad ahead of Livermore, though, because I don't rate the latter at all.] I think we'll miss The Ox, actually, because he could break fast, take players on and score goals. Maybe that's where Loftus Cheek comes in.

In any case, what's the point with all the 'that's the shittest ever squad' horror? It's not as if we aren't all well aware of the players we have to pick from, is it? It's nothing better than workmanlike on paper, but it's a team with alternatives and they do appear to work hard for each other. I think it could do reasonably well.

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Re: Чемпионат мира по футболу 2018

Postby Charlie Don't Surf » Wed May 16, 2018 8:02 am

That is a very Gareth Southgatey squad, boring, pedestrian, unambitious.
BREAK HIS LEGS!!

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Re: Чемпионат мира по футболу 2018

Postby the flying pig » Wed May 16, 2018 8:41 am

I'd put this squad down as about the same as or maybe fractionally better than the euro 2016 vintage.

The midfield looks a little weaker, mostly down to lallana's lack of minutes (which is so awful that, much as I like him as a player, certainly means that he shouldn't have gone imo), also lack of milner. The younger players in that department don't seem to be playing any better than they were back then. They're both deeply flawed but I'm certain that one or both of wilshire & shelvey would have been better bets than the superior but crocked lallana & the utterly useless livermore. Henderson has actually improved quite a bit since his early figure of fun days, as well he might in his position having only just turned 27.

Forwards must be a little stronger... The lack of Rooney (and sturridge) helps, and whilst vardy has probably lost a yard of pace, his form is holding up well and I do think Kane, Rashford (albeit still not getting much gametime) & sterling (albeit flattered terribly by playing alongside so many stars) have all trained on a little.

Keepers certainly no worse, big bonus to see the back of hart... So, yeah, a little better really.

Defence, well, cahill & rose are down a bit from where they were then, & stones hasn't played much... So I suppose weaker in parts but not drastically so...and I actually like the inclusion of guys like maguire, trippier, delph.

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Re: Чемпионат мира по футболу 2018

Postby topbin » Wed May 16, 2018 8:56 am

So far I am really feeling the pinch of the expanded World Cup in those group games. You look through and there's what, 2, 3 stand-out games? It's close to getting, similar to the Champions League where it's just not exciting until the knock-out rounds.

Last World Cup just in our group there was England, Italy, Uruguay. There's nothing even close to that in this year's competition. Probably Spain v Portugal, maybe England v Belgium at a push?

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Re: Чемпионат мира по футболу 2018

Postby dirty leeds » Wed May 16, 2018 1:28 pm

Charlie Don't Surf wrote:That is a very Gareth Southgatey squad, boring, pedestrian, unambitious.


Go on then, Charlie, give us your Don'tSurfy amendments to turn into an exciting, inspired and ambitious one?

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Re: Чемпионат мира по футболу 2018

Postby Phil LUFC » Wed May 16, 2018 1:32 pm

Lewis Cook on standby, Livermore too, Trent-Arnold in. A little different to what was posted yesterday.

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Re: Чемпионат мира по футболу 2018

Postby jackos » Wed May 16, 2018 1:56 pm

World Champions 2018

Goalkeepers: Jack Butland (Stoke), Jordan Pickford (Everton), Nick Pope (Burnley).

Defenders: Trent Alexander-Arnold (Liverpool), Gary Cahill (Chelsea), Kyle Walker, John Stones (Manchester City), Harry Maguire (Leicester), Kieran Trippier, Danny Rose (Tottenham Hotspur), Phil Jones, Ashley Young (SCUM).

Midfielders: Eric Dier, Dele Alli (both Tottenham Hotspur), Jesse Lingard (SCUM), Jordan Henderson (Liverpool), Fabian Delph (Manchester City), Ruben Loftus-Cheek (Chelsea).

Forwards: Jamie Vardy (Leicester), Marcus Rashford (SCUM), Raheem Sterling (Manchester City), Danny Welbeck (Arsenal) Harry Kane (Tottenham).

Standby: Tom Heaton, James Tarkowski (Burnley), Lewis Cook (Bournemouth), Jake Livermore (West Brom) and Adam Lallana (Liverpool).

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Re: Чемпионат мира по футболу 2018

Postby eric olthwaite » Wed May 16, 2018 2:11 pm

I actually find myself a little cheered by the banality of that squad.

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Re: Чемпионат мира по футболу 2018

Postby the flying pig » Wed May 16, 2018 3:50 pm

No Jake Livermore is a blessing, for sure.

Ashley Young seems like a sound selection too, his crossing from corners and FKs is very good (so, if he plays, no need for Harry Kane to do either) and he's genuinely versatile.

No Lallana is a shame but surely the correct decision given his lack of matches.

I'd rather rather have had Tarkowski than the clapped out Cahill, but I don't suppose that this decision will be make or break.

Seems very right back heavy, with trippier, the Liverpool guy, and Walker all being, more or less, specialists there, with young able to do a job too. I suppose they must see Walker on the right of a defensive three, doesn't have the paint or crossing to be a top wing back?

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Re: Чемпионат мира по футболу 2018

Postby Ontolly » Wed May 16, 2018 5:30 pm

Yeboah wrote:
Ontolly wrote:The fact that Hart can't even get in the West Ham team says all.

Anyway now that the World cup is coming to remind us of football didn't we talk about more Home teams qualifying this year? I understand that the Welsh reverted back to type after their recent half hour in the sun and I know that the Scots will never amount to anything. However I did expect better from the Irish - both the North and the Eire. Are we saying that all of the British Isles will have world cup interest only when England play?

Again? :roll:


He played last 6/7 games of season


you, sir, are a fucking liar.
The only thing we knew for sure about Henry Porter was that his name wasn't Henry Porter.

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Re: Чемпионат мира по футболу 2018

Postby Mr Reality » Wed May 16, 2018 5:32 pm

Charlie Don't Surf wrote:That is a very Gareth Southgatey squad, boring, pedestrian, unambitious.


Who has missed out?

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Re: Чемпионат мира по футболу 2018

Postby Mr Reality » Wed May 16, 2018 5:42 pm

the flying pig wrote:No Jake Livermore is a blessing, for sure.

Ashley Young seems like a sound selection too, his crossing from corners and FKs is very good (so, if he plays, no need for Harry Kane to do either) and he's genuinely versatile.

No Lallana is a shame but surely the correct decision given his lack of matches.

I'd rather rather have had Tarkowski than the clapped out Cahill, but I don't suppose that this decision will be make or break.

Seems very right back heavy, with trippier, the Liverpool guy, and Walker all being, more or less, specialists there, with young able to do a job too. I suppose they must see Walker on the right of a defensive three, doesn't have the paint or crossing to be a top wing back?


Think in ideal world walker would be the wing back but the lack of central defensive options gives Southgate a problem so trippier is a decent replacement although I wouldnt rule out TAA particularly if he plays well in the final.

I would go

Pickford

Dier
Stones
Maguire

Walker
Henderson
? Not sure here would probably go Delph but maybe that's Leeds bias
Rose

Sterling

Kane
Vardy

I expect

Pickford

Walker
Stones
Maguire

Trippier
Dier
Henderson
Rose

Ali
Sterling

Kane.

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Re: Чемпионат мира по футболу 2018

Postby Mr Reality » Wed May 16, 2018 5:50 pm

dirty leeds wrote:
Mr Reality wrote:
Phatphil65 wrote:That midfield is utter fucking gash. A true reflection on the paucity of English players in the EPL. I bet Panama are shitting their pants and looking for a hotel for the 2nd round.

Wilshere is undoubtedly a cunt, but fuck me, Henderson and Dier? I could piss more creativity.


Loftus cheek could be the one to watch he has been done well for palace. Think we will see either dier or walker on the right of the back three.

Delph is the other option particularly given how the many city full backs drift inside and play in midfield.


Agree with that - my only caveat is that we would be asking him to do what he does with such confidence at Palace in an England shirt, in a world cup. If he can do that, he could well be a good option for us.
But I don't agree with others on here about Henderson. Obviously, it being international football, you only get to pick from who's available, so the field of candidates for his position is not large and/or especially impressive just now. I have never been a massive Henderson fan BUT he's just had his best season ever for Liverpool and he has the experience/nouse to play his defensive midfield role in a two [4-2-3-1] or as central pivot if [as is more likely] we set up 3-5-2, with the other two midfielders allowed to push forward. Who else can do that? Wilshere can't: his role is further forward and [for me] while he runs with the ball quite well he isn't fast enough over the ground. Shelvey is a very good passer but his indiscipline has let him down all his career. [I'd still probably have him in the squad ahead of Livermore, though, because I don't rate the latter at all.] I think we'll miss The Ox, actually, because he could break fast, take players on and score goals. Maybe that's where Loftus Cheek comes in.

In any case, what's the point with all the 'that's the shittest ever squad' horror? It's not as if we aren't all well aware of the players we have to pick from, is it? It's nothing better than workmanlike on paper, but it's a team with alternatives and they do appear to work hard for each other. I think it could do reasonably well.


Yeah but I guess that goes for every player at least he won't have the baggage of previous years and there is also lower expectations than previous tournaments.

Speaking of Oxlade Chamberlain had he been fit I wonder if we would have seen a 433 where he has flourished this season.

Anyhow can't wait for it to start.

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Re: Чемпионат мира по футболу 2018

Postby dirty leeds » Wed May 16, 2018 6:33 pm

Aye, the thing about going one or two up top is interesting. One thing in our favour is our speed in the forward midfield/striker area. It can worry any opponent. So having Vardy poised on the shoulder of the last defender is a useful weapon to stretch teams and make sure they can't push too far forward against us. I like that, personally. Gives Karry Kane a bit more room to pull them around too.
But then, having Sterling's pace just behind Kane, allied to Alli's guile and understanding of Kane's runs... that could work as well. If Alli is on form and not spending too much of his time niggling people and losing his temper.

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Re: Чемпионат мира по футболу 2018

Postby Mr Reality » Thu May 17, 2018 9:53 pm

This is what you call strength in depth.

France players NOT selected for the 2018 World Cup squad:

❌ Karim Benzema
❌ Dimitri Payet
❌ Anthony Martial
❌ Alexandre Lacazette
❌ Aymeric Laporte
❌ Kingsley Coman
❌ Andre-Pierre Gignac
❌ Adrien Rabiot
❌ Wissam Ben Yedder

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Re: Чемпионат мира по футболу 2018

Postby the flying pig » Thu May 17, 2018 10:18 pm

Mr Reality wrote:This is what you call strength in depth.

France players NOT selected for the 2018 World Cup squad:

❌ Karim Benzema
❌ Dimitri Payet
❌ Anthony Martial
❌ Alexandre Lacazette
❌ Aymeric Laporte
❌ Kingsley Coman
❌ Andre-Pierre Gignac
❌ Adrien Rabiot
❌ Wissam Ben Yedder


:shock:

Bit odd though... Surely at least a couple of those guys must be up to it? Who's in who's so much better?


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