It's the End of The Squareball As We Know It Coronavirus Thread

[jackos]

UK covid rules confuse the hell out of me? You can go to a restaurant or nightclub in Leeds with no mask, but you need a mask to go to a the shops. If someone on my flight from Sweden tests positive for covid I have to self isolate for 10 f'in days, even though I have to take a covid test before getting on the flight. Why is my flight more dangerous than a pub in Leeds?

[AndyPaul]

UK covid rules confuse the hell out of me? You can go to a restaurant or nightclub in Leeds with no mask, but you need a mask to go to a the shops. If someone on my flight from Sweden tests positive for covid I have to self isolate for 10 f'in days, even though I have to take a covid test before getting on the flight. Why is my flight more dangerous than a pub in Leeds?

Awwwwww bless. You are still trying to find some logic in our rules....

[jackos]

Awwwwww bless. You are still trying to find some logic in our rules....

Been trying to figure out if we dare risk coming home for Christmas or not all week. Decided we can't, my brother is coming here instead. At least him and his girlfriends have houses and gardens if they have to self isolate when they go back. Leaves us a couple of grand out of pocket, but we don't want to end up stuck in a hotel room with three kids for ten days which would also mean missing our flight back.

Not saying its massively better here. I went to a football game yesterday, the roof was closed because its cold and they risked ice falling in if they opened it. Roof is open for football games normally. Roof open - outdoor event - no vaccine certificate required. Roof closed - indoor event - so vaccine certificate required. 30K people then packed onto the tube after the game. No vaccine certificate required there.... But at least our travel rules are clear. Him.and his girlfriend are vaccinated so the can come to Sweden.

[AndyPaul]

Don't blame you, travelling and holidays out of your own country at the moment are so unpredictable I generally can't be arsed with it.

[Blackwhite]

Amen.



Edit: the replies are an incredible netfull of anti-vaxx cunts saying things like "I hope the NHS fails, you tyrants" whilst proudly walking towards the guns painting targets on their chests.

[Mustafaster]

Amen.



Edit: the replies are an incredible netfull of anti-vaxx cunts saying things like "I hope the NHS fails, you tyrants" whilst proudly walking towards the guns painting targets on their chests.

There's nothing to be done about anti vaxxers, they double down and get very aggressive and abusive.
There's nothing to be done about this government, they double down and throw some poor sod under the nearest bus.
I hate people.

[Oheddieeddie]

Amen.



Edit: the replies are an incredible netfull of anti-vaxx cunts saying things like "I hope the NHS fails, you tyrants" whilst proudly walking towards the guns painting targets on their chests.

There's nothing to be done about anti vaxxers, they double down and get very aggressive and abusive.
There's nothing to be done about this government, they double down and throw some poor sod under the nearest bus.
I hate people.

What’s the Spanish attitude and adherence like? I usually find the majority of Spaniards ibe met to be fairly intelligent and responsible

[Mustafaster]

Mask wearing is pretty much total in any public space and has been since day 1.
We got absolutely hammered during the first wave which played its part, but if you try to get into a public place or transport without a mask you will be challenged.
Vaccine rates are pretty high, over 80%.
Very few idiots comparing the situation to the Nazis.
Some calls for mandatory vaccination but most against it, me included.
I know a few people who are vax resistant but they aren' anti vax as such and accept that this means they may face some restrictions.
Don't think the Spanish are any more intelligent in my experience, but they do have a strong sense of social responsibility.

[Oheddieeddie]

Mask wearing is pretty much total in any public space and has been since day 1.
We got absolutely hammered during the first wave which played its part, but if you try to get into a public place or transport without a mask you will be challenged.
Vaccine rates are pretty high, over 80%.
Very few idiots comparing the situation to the Nazis.
Some calls for mandatory vaccination but most against it, me included.
I know a few people who are vax resistant but they aren' anti vax as such and accept that this means they may face some restrictions.
Don't think the Spanish are any more intelligent in my experience, but they do have a strong sense of social responsibility.

Cheers Musta, that’s kind of what I thought. Yeah social responsibility is probably a better description of what I mean

[Terre Harte II]

I know there's a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't element to all of this, but sometimes? I wish health officials would just STFU until they have some certainties about a strain, severity of such, etc., before they blab to the public about it.

On Omicron, I've read quite a bit of contradictory stuff. Some of it promising (particularly in terms of severity), some of it not (particularly in terms of evading vaccines), but all of it delivered with the caveat of "it's still early days", etc.

I'm someone who can sort out much of this, and also, understand that the situation on the ground can and will change. Even given that I understand that, the sheer amount of speculation from experts out there is frustrating.

What happened to wait until you know before you speak? Just advise people to get a booster, which they ought to be doing regardless of whether Omicron popped up or not, and give more definitive information on Omicron when they have it.

Because while I may be able to sort it out, many people don't have that trait or don't care to. So they just tune it all out. The rush to say something ... anything leads to a lack of credibility in some sense and continues the erosion much of the public has in the trust of experts, a very dangerous road to go down.

[AndyPaul]

I know there's a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't element to all of this, but sometimes? I wish health officials would just STFU until they have some certainties about a strain, severity of such, etc., before they blab to the public about it.

On Omicron, I've read quite a bit of contradictory stuff. Some of it promising (particularly in terms of severity), some of it not (particularly in terms of evading vaccines), but all of it delivered with the caveat of "it's still early days", etc.

I'm someone who can sort out much of this, and also, understand that the situation on the ground can and will change. Even given that I understand that, the sheer amount of speculation from experts out there is frustrating.

What happened to wait until you know before you speak? Just advise people to get a booster, which they ought to be doing regardless of whether Omicron popped up or not, and give more definitive information on Omicron when they have it.

Because while I may be able to sort it out, many people don't have that trait or don't care to. So they just tune it all out. The rush to say something ... anything leads to a lack of credibility in some sense and continues the erosion much of the public has in the trust of experts, a very dangerous road to go down.

Ego's and social media ain't it. Its part of the whole problem. One says one thing and then another has a different opinion and its so easy to do it now when you can just nip on twitter and say what you think.

I'm in the same boat. This new variant I have no idea what to think. I seen so much said how it's nothing more to worry about compared to other variants to the other extreme that its end of days stuff. But from my very limited knowledge in the field of science I'm would think they are all guessing as this things only been round a few weeks.

I'm at the point where I'm feeling all a bit 'meh' about covid and all the bullshit that goes with it. Don't get me wrong, I'm jabbed, wear a mask where I should but I won't pay much attention anymore to all the so called expert opinions because no can bloody agree. I'm not entirely sure what the covid rules are anymore.

[Terre Harte II]

I know there's a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't element to all of this, but sometimes? I wish health officials would just STFU until they have some certainties about a strain, severity of such, etc., before they blab to the public about it.

On Omicron, I've read quite a bit of contradictory stuff. Some of it promising (particularly in terms of severity), some of it not (particularly in terms of evading vaccines), but all of it delivered with the caveat of "it's still early days", etc.

I'm someone who can sort out much of this, and also, understand that the situation on the ground can and will change. Even given that I understand that, the sheer amount of speculation from experts out there is frustrating.

What happened to wait until you know before you speak? Just advise people to get a booster, which they ought to be doing regardless of whether Omicron popped up or not, and give more definitive information on Omicron when they have it.

Because while I may be able to sort it out, many people don't have that trait or don't care to. So they just tune it all out. The rush to say something ... anything leads to a lack of credibility in some sense and continues the erosion much of the public has in the trust of experts, a very dangerous road to go down.

Ego's and social media ain't it. Its part of the whole problem. One says one thing and then another has a different opinion and its so easy to do it now when you can just nip on twitter and say what you think.

I'm in the same boat. This new variant I have no idea what to think. I seen so much said how it's nothing more to worry about compared to other variants to the other extreme that its end of days stuff. But from my very limited knowledge in the field of science I'm would think they are all guessing as this things only been round a few weeks.

I'm at the point where I'm feeling all a bit 'meh' about covid and all the bullshit that goes with it. Don't get me wrong, I'm jabbed, wear a mask where I should but I won't pay much attention anymore to all the so called expert opinions because no can bloody agree. I'm not entirely sure what the covid rules are anymore.

Very much feel the same. Control what I can control and hope for the best.

[eric olthwaite]

I know there's a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't element to all of this, but sometimes? I wish health officials would just STFU until they have some certainties about a strain, severity of such, etc., before they blab to the public about it.

On Omicron, I've read quite a bit of contradictory stuff. Some of it promising (particularly in terms of severity), some of it not (particularly in terms of evading vaccines), but all of it delivered with the caveat of "it's still early days", etc.

I'm someone who can sort out much of this, and also, understand that the situation on the ground can and will change. Even given that I understand that, the sheer amount of speculation from experts out there is frustrating.

What happened to wait until you know before you speak? Just advise people to get a booster, which they ought to be doing regardless of whether Omicron popped up or not, and give more definitive information on Omicron when they have it.

Because while I may be able to sort it out, many people don't have that trait or don't care to. So they just tune it all out. The rush to say something ... anything leads to a lack of credibility in some sense and continues the erosion much of the public has in the trust of experts, a very dangerous road to go down.

Don’t think I agree with this really. I’m not sure I’ve yet seen anything contradictory on omicron. It seems like:

- The R rate is high, ie it spreads like wildfire.
- The outcome severity seems relatively low, so far.

Isn’t it logical that the R rate would be apparent very quickly, with the spread of infection, but that outcomes wouldn’t start to be known until at least a couple of weeks later, until infections had progressed?

In our case, they put an alert on travel to South Africa whilst the first bit was known but before the second. That seems like the obvious thing to have done - certainly they shouldn’t have waited until more was known about the death rate - because the precautionary approach has to be the way to go.

So I can’t see that not really discussing it until there was a lot more evidence about how bad it was could be a workable option? Yes, omicron has now arrived here but reducing the number of infected arrivals in the period when everyone’s getting boosters seems like it must have a benefit on hospital admissions.

[Blackwhite]

If it helps anyone, the only thing that specifically worries me about omicron is the transmission is clearly very high. It does seem like severity is not worse, at least. There will be some cross protection from vaccines and natural immunity but nobody will have numbers for a while. It seems if you're vaxxed you are unlikely to get severely ill, but more likely to catch it and notice than delta, which was often silent.

E2A: the words in my ears are i think Fauci's, who said they believed in the first months of 22 you would be lucky to avoid a dose of omicron.

I guess by implication if you are immune suppressed or virulently antivaxx you might be right to be concerned about severity, so look into the data (antivaxxers: do some of that research you're so fucking keen on).


Don't blame experts who know better than to overstate. Blame the lack of clear guidance based on the advice that's been largely ignored, right up until somebody needs distracting (the only time this shambolic cunt has ever done anything on a vaguely helpful timeline).



“One of the painful things about our time is that those who feel certainty are stupid, and those with any imagination and understanding are filled with doubt and indecision.”

[Phil LUFC]

Daughter is eligible for her 2nd dose now. Tried to book something, no options closer than 20 fucking miles away? WTF!!!

EDIT: We're going to try taking the letter to the local walk in centre on Saturday before booking some random location.

We both went to the local walk in centre yesterday, given the rule change makes me eligible for the booster now.

They told us on the door that 820 people walked through on Saturday, 635 of them were getting their first dose. I guess Omicron is scaring a fair few anti vaxers.

[Blackwhite]

They told us on the door that 820 people walked through on Saturday, 635 of them were getting their first dose. I guess Omicron is scaring a fair few anti vaxers.

Or they see the writing on the wall re: covid passes.

[eric olthwaite]

They told us on the door that 820 people walked through on Saturday, 635 of them were getting their first dose. I guess Omicron is scaring a fair few anti vaxers.

Contrarily, I wonder how many have had the jabs and are saying they haven't, on the basis that the more you get stabbed, the safer you will be. I bet there's a few.

[AndyPaul]

They told us on the door that 820 people walked through on Saturday, 635 of them were getting their first dose. I guess Omicron is scaring a fair few anti vaxers.

Contrarily, I wonder how many have had the jabs and are saying they haven't, on the basis that the more you get stabbed, the safer you will be. I bet there's a few.

Someone told me the covid vaccination makes you infertile. I'll be having my 14th jab today at the local walk in

[AndyPaul]

They told us on the door that 820 people walked through on Saturday, 635 of them were getting their first dose. I guess Omicron is scaring a fair few anti vaxers.

Or they see the writing on the wall re: covid passes.

Yeah more likely this.

[Phil LUFC]

They told us on the door that 820 people walked through on Saturday, 635 of them were getting their first dose. I guess Omicron is scaring a fair few anti vaxers.

Or they see the writing on the wall re: covid passes.

Yeah more likely this.

Yeah, makes more sense.

Eric: By extension it's likely some anti vaxers are allowing people to get extra jabs in their name - win/win in terms of vaccine passports.