eric olthwaite wrote:Key thing about Lasogga is he’s a percentage player. Just need people around him to bang the ball into his feet relentlessly and get him to keep shooting. Think he gets frustrated when he’s not getting chances and his head goes down. Still don’t see him as part of a long term plan though.
Mr Reality wrote:eric olthwaite wrote:Key thing about Lasogga is he’s a percentage player. Just need people around him to bang the ball into his feet relentlessly and get him to keep shooting. Think he gets frustrated when he’s not getting chances and his head goes down. Still don’t see him as part of a long term plan though.
Given what he is likely to cost in a few and wages can we afford to have somebody who has question marks over his attitude and fitness.
In terms of his ability he's a above championship level but can he focused for a 46 game season?
Clacton white wrote:Mr Reality wrote:eric olthwaite wrote:Key thing about Lasogga is he’s a percentage player. Just need people around him to bang the ball into his feet relentlessly and get him to keep shooting. Think he gets frustrated when he’s not getting chances and his head goes down. Still don’t see him as part of a long term plan though.
Given what he is likely to cost in a few and wages can we afford to have somebody who has question marks over his attitude and fitness.
In terms of his ability he's a above championship level but can he focused for a 46 game season?
I see him as a bit like Viduka - only not as good ( not nearly as good at the moment in reality ) . One of the few in this side who have some physical presence , so maybe that's a good thing . Don't think he has the pace of Viduka but played at a decent level in Germany . Don't see him or Pennington here next season though for a few reasons ( transfer/wages/ambition ) .
I really would like to see shot of O'FuckingKane and Ayling , tough the later is out for the season , more often than not a liability ...and O'FK .....you're down to 10 men with him merely being on the pitch . It really baffles me what managers have seen in him of late ..... it really must be lack of fit/available players that gets him into the side . I'd rather play a youth/younger player who at least may try to contribute something positive .
dirty leeds wrote:Maybe some have missed it - it may have been on Waccoe - but there have already been mutterings about us lining up Pennington for a permanent deal in the summer. I'm guessing Everton might have hinted they don't see him as developing into a Prem player. Their sights are somewhat higher than ours, after all.
They said on commentary yesterday that they rate him very highly at Everton, and they are after selling Kean already according to footy gossip today.welshwhite wrote:dirty leeds wrote:Maybe some have missed it - it may have been on Waccoe - but there have already been mutterings about us lining up Pennington for a permanent deal in the summer. I'm guessing Everton might have hinted they don't see him as developing into a Prem player. Their sights are somewhat higher than ours, after all.
We're also planning on being Everton mk2 in a couple of seasons. We don't want the fish that John West rejected.
Willheheckaslike knows what's needed, he has to have a say in our incomings.
Dale White wrote:They said on commentary yesterday that they rate him very highly at Everton
Quiffy wrote:
sloggy pete
Dale White wrote:They said on commentary yesterday that they rate him very highly at Everton, and they are after selling Kean already according to footy gossip today.welshwhite wrote:dirty leeds wrote:Maybe some have missed it - it may have been on Waccoe - but there have already been mutterings about us lining up Pennington for a permanent deal in the summer. I'm guessing Everton might have hinted they don't see him as developing into a Prem player. Their sights are somewhat higher than ours, after all.
We're also planning on being Everton mk2 in a couple of seasons. We don't want the fish that John West rejected.
Willheheckaslike knows what's needed, he has to have a say in our incomings.
Quiffy wrote:Dale White wrote:They said on commentary yesterday that they rate him very highly at Everton
followed by 'just not by many of the first team managers'![]()
personally thought stuart dallas was very good at right back and i'd be quite happy for him to keep that slot, he was good going fforward but managed to be in the right place enough of the time in defence.
sloggy pete also impressed me with his attitude all game and that's something i didn't expect to write, but he was up for it big time and worked his generous backside off. his header was also bloody good, not one that a lot of strikers could have successfully done.
alioski and roofe need a rest, i thought roofe was better after his concussion he was so far off the pace, phillips was his usual dopey self never seeming to be where you want him. samu's now done 5 of his 6 game ban which made me wonder what our best midfield would be, so without a lot of thought...
......................wiedwald............
....dallas....pennington.....pontus,,,,debock
pablo.......vieira.........forshaw.........alioski
.....................saiz........................
.......................pete...................
maybe swap alioski for dallas and stick berardi back in at full back. i don't know enough about roberts, so he could go left wing maybe. anyhow, it'll be interesting to see what he goes for, even if yeboah thinks it's obvious what the starting 11 should be.
Yeboah wrote:No I’m good with that, apart from Alioski on the wing, he should only have a chance of playing if we go 3 at the back.
We need a system that allows all the best players to get on the pitch....which that team has.
There’s 7 or 8 that are unarguably first choices. The rest just don’t need to fuck it up!
Quiffy wrote:Yeboah wrote:No I’m good with that, apart from Alioski on the wing, he should only have a chance of playing if we go 3 at the back.
We need a system that allows all the best players to get on the pitch....which that team has.
There’s 7 or 8 that are unarguably first choices. The rest just don’t need to fuck it up!
so no alioski, which the notes at the bottom sort of agree with, but it would be good to know what you'd have instead.
Quiffy wrote::thumbl: and the formation would change depending on the opposition or do you have a preferred choice?
Yeboah wrote:Some games.....and parts of some games you might go 541 and against some opposition (Cardiff) I’d go 3 up front at least to start with and just go route 1.
I think that was the issue with TC, lack of pragmatism to get the best result for that game.
Very few teams can just play ‘their’ way all the time.
eric olthwaite wrote:Key thing about Lasogga is he’s a percentage player. Just need people around him to bang the ball into his feet relentlessly and get him to keep shooting. Think he gets frustrated when he’s not getting chances and his head goes down. Still don’t see him as part of a long term plan though.
Quiffy wrote:Yeboah wrote:Some games.....and parts of some games you might go 541 and against some opposition (Cardiff) I’d go 3 up front at least to start with and just go route 1.
I think that was the issue with TC, lack of pragmatism to get the best result for that game.
Very few teams can just play ‘their’ way all the time.
see this is where we disagree. you say very few teams can play their way all the time, but you are willing to allow cardiff to do that by sacrificing the midfield and make it a game of hoof and deferring to them.
i'd say you adjust your defensive training for the week to prepare for the aerial bombardment, but get the attackers to keep it on the ground to test the non-aerial skills. dominate the midfield by being nippier, essentially try and stick to your identity. i reckon it's hard enough to be good at one winning style of football, rather than expect them to be good at many.
you've got very high expectations.
Tommy wrote:eric olthwaite wrote:Key thing about Lasogga is he’s a percentage player. Just need people around him to bang the ball into his feet relentlessly and get him to keep shooting. Think he gets frustrated when he’s not getting chances and his head goes down. Still don’t see him as part of a long term plan though.
Soggy Pete is one of the strangest players I can remember seeing turn out for Leeds. He's obviously far better than we should be able to get in the Championship but fucking hell is it ever painful to watch him most of the time. Aside from Saiz, I think he represents Orta's biggest coup, albeit tempered by the fact that he's only a loan and obviously has some issues with fitness to put it mildly. If he hadn't inexplicably disappeared for that month or so he'd have a few more goals and chances are we'd be in marginally better health as a team. If both he and Saiz had been available for selection for this whole season, there's a chance that TC would still be employed.
The irritating thing is that I reckon 4231 is probably the best formation we could use to get the most out of Soggy Pete given the players we have available but now that's been chucked out baby and bathwater stylee because we had an injury and suspension crisis. If we're actually going to play 433, you have to wonder where Saiz will play when he gets back.
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