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dirty leeds wrote:
Mon Nov 28, 2022 8:47 pm
Farcical penalty against Uruguay. Terrible decision.
I *sort of* sympathise with Portugal because it was a clear cut chance prevented by a hand... but as you say, that a handball must be deliberate, or at least calculated, is football rules 101.
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the flying pig wrote:
Mon Nov 28, 2022 8:55 pm
dirty leeds wrote:
Mon Nov 28, 2022 8:47 pm
Farcical penalty against Uruguay. Terrible decision.
I *sort of* sympathise with Portugal because it was a clear cut chance prevented by a hand... but as you say, that a handball must be deliberate, or at least calculated, is football rules 101.
Yeah, under the rules as they are it's definitely not a penalty but as it's a subjective rule anyway I do think it should probably be "Has he gained a clear advantage, intentionally or not, via use of the hand/arm?" If yes, give it. It's highly likely the touch there prevented a clear chance.
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Bobbycollins wrote:
Mon Nov 28, 2022 6:30 pm
Tyler Adams sounds far too pleasant and intelligent to play for Leeds let alone one of the colonies https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/1 ... -every-day
he doesn't say anything of any real note, but to say that the question was presumably sprung on him as a surprise, and that according to his wiki he started playing pro football at 16 (ie didn't play 'college soccer' like Jesse) the boy more or less knocks it out of the park. it's more than anything the spirit he answers the question in - neither cowed by nor dismissive of the question, he tries to give it its fair dues.
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the flying pig wrote:
Mon Nov 28, 2022 10:40 pm
Bobbycollins wrote:
Mon Nov 28, 2022 6:30 pm
Tyler Adams sounds far too pleasant and intelligent to play for Leeds let alone one of the colonies https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/1 ... -every-day
he doesn't say anything of any real note, but to say that the question was presumably sprung on him as a surprise, and that according to his wiki he started playing pro football at 16 (ie didn't play 'college soccer' like Jesse) the boy more or less knocks it out of the park. it's more than anything the spirit he answers the question in - neither cowed by nor dismissive of the question, he tries to give it its fair dues.
Tyler demonstrated immense class, I admired how he handled it, but I actually don't have a problem with the question, even if I distrust that it came from an honest place.

Western journalists ask athletes in non-Western countries about human rights and protests going on in their homelands. With respect to Iran, it's a particular hot-button issue at present for their athletes. Our journalists may not intend those questions to be loaded, but they're likely perceived that way in the home lands of the athletes and probably by the athletes themselves. Not only that, but those athletes have a much greater risk when/if they answer in a way that puts their government in a bad light.

So I can't really complain if an Iranian journalist tries to play the same game or perceives it as the same game by making our athletes confront our problems. I suspect he was just trying to get a gotcha moment (he allegedly is from state-run Iranian media), but the question itself isn't invalid. Black athletes get asked that by American journalists at times, though usually not soccer players, more so basketball.

It would be hypocritical for me to call out a journalist for asking the question regardless of his nationality or his motives. Tyler handled it with class either way.
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Terre Harte II wrote: Tyler demonstrated immense class, I admired how he handled it, but I actually don't have a problem with the question, even if I distrust that it came from an honest place.

Western journalists ask athletes in non-Western countries about human rights and protests going on in their homelands. With respect to Iran, it's a particular hot-button issue at present for their athletes. Our journalists may not intended those questions to be loaded, but they're likely perceived that way in the home lands of the athletes and probably by the athletes themselves. Not only that, but those athletes have a much greater risk when/if they answer in a way that puts their government in a bad light. :mrgreen:

So I can't really complain if an Iranian journalist tries to play the same game or perceives it as the same game by making our athletes confront our problems. I suspect he was just trying to get a gotcha moment (he allegedly is from state-run Iranian media), but the question itself isn't invalid. Black athletes get asked that by American journalists at times, though usually not soccer players, more so basketball.

It would be hypocritical for me to call out a journalist for asking the question regardless of his nationality or his motives. Tyler handled it with class either way.
The journalist undermined the legitimacy of his second question with his first. The whole would knows you lot can't speak English :mrgreen:

Excellently handled by Tyler.
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jackos wrote:
Tue Nov 29, 2022 1:39 am
Terre Harte II wrote:
Tue Nov 29, 2022 12:33 am


he doesn't say anything of any real note, but to say that the question was presumably sprung on him as a surprise, and that according to his wiki he started playing pro football at 16 (ie didn't play 'college soccer' like Jesse) the boy more or less knocks it out of the park. it's more than anything the spirit he answers the question in - neither cowed by nor dismissive of the question, he tries to give it its fair dues.
Tyler demonstrated immense class, I admired how he handled it, but I actually don't have a problem with the question, even if I distrust that it came from an honest place.

Western journalists ask athletes in non-Western countries about human rights and protests going on in their homelands. With respect to Iran, it's a particular hot-button issue at present for their athletes. Our journalists may not intended those questions to be loaded, but they're likely perceived that way in the home lands of the athletes and probably by the athletes themselves. Not only that, but those athletes have a much greater risk when/if they answer in a way that puts their government in a bad light. :mrgreen:

So I can't really complain if an Iranian journalist tries to play the same game or perceives it as the same game by making our athletes confront our problems. I suspect he was just trying to get a gotcha moment (he allegedly is from state-run Iranian media), but the question itself isn't invalid. Black athletes get asked that by American journalists at times, though usually not soccer players, more so basketball.

It would be hypocritical for me to call out a journalist for asking the question regardless of his nationality or his motives. Tyler handled it with class either way.
The journalist undermined to legitimacy of his second question with his first. The whole would knows you lot can't speak English :mrgreen:

Excellently handled by Tyler.
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Americans do know how to use the quote function, though. :lol:
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Terre Harte II wrote: Americans do know how to use the quote function, though. :lol:
I've no idea what you mean :joker2:
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Today’s pointless World Cup stat: Qatar and Netherlands are the 7th and 8th lowest average elevation countries on the planet, making this probably the lowest aggregate national height above sea level fixture in WC history.

I’m sure you feel happier knowing that.
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eric olthwaite wrote:
Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:23 am
Today’s pointless World Cup stat: Qatar and Netherlands are the 7th and 8th lowest average elevation countries on the planet, making this probably the lowest aggregate national height above sea level fixture in WC history.

I’m sure you feel happier knowing that.
Isn't Ecuador one of the highest countries? So is it possible when they played it was the highest vs the lowest elevated countries to ever play in the WC.

Can you find this out and report back Eric?
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All this waiting around until 3pm for a match to start is a bit fucking boring.
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AndyPaul wrote:
Tue Nov 29, 2022 9:00 am
Isn't Ecuador one of the highest countries? So is it possible when they played it was the highest vs the lowest elevated countries to ever play in the WC.

Can you find this out and report back Eric?
It was seeing this on Twitter that made me research my useless fact :lol:

If you go by Wiki, then Ecuador is 27th highest and amongst countries to have appeared at the World Cup Chile, Peru, Switzerland and Iran are all higher. However it seems that there's a bit of a dispute in relation to whether rank is by mean, median, average or whatever and how it's measured.

Happy to help :thumbl:

Reasonably confident about lowest as only small island nations like the Maldives etc are in the top five.
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dirty leeds wrote:
Tue Nov 29, 2022 9:05 am
All this waiting around until 3pm for a match to start is a bit fucking boring.
Are you in work, lad?
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Bobbycollins wrote:
Tue Nov 29, 2022 9:12 am
dirty leeds wrote:
Tue Nov 29, 2022 9:05 am
All this waiting around until 3pm for a match to start is a bit fucking boring.
Are you in work, lad?
Just finished the last issue of the year - about to send it off to the printer. Have a few days with nowt much to do, apart from approving things for printing and chasing up outstanding invoices.
Two sets of concurrent matches seems paltry, all of a sudden.
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See replies:

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eric olthwaite wrote:
Tue Nov 29, 2022 9:11 am
AndyPaul wrote:
Tue Nov 29, 2022 9:00 am
Isn't Ecuador one of the highest countries? So is it possible when they played it was the highest vs the lowest elevated countries to ever play in the WC.

Can you find this out and report back Eric?
It was seeing this on Twitter that made me research my useless fact :lol:

If you go by Wiki, then Ecuador is 27th highest and amongst countries to have appeared at the World Cup Chile, Peru, Switzerland and Iran are all higher. However it seems that there's a bit of a dispute in relation to whether rank is by mean, median, average or whatever and how it's measured.

Happy to help :thumbl:

Reasonably confident about lowest as only small island nations like the Maldives etc are in the top five.
Fuck knows why but I have found this interesting :lol:
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dirty leeds wrote:
Tue Nov 29, 2022 9:05 am
All this waiting around until 3pm for a match to start is a bit fucking boring.
You can fuck right off with your moaning, I'm in India with work so the England game doesn't start until 00:30 tonight :(

How can the game be later when I'm closer to Qatar that I was last week? You ferking Europeans ruin everything.
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jackos wrote:
Tue Nov 29, 2022 10:23 am
You ferking Europeans ruin everything.
Racist, reported to errrrrrrrrr...... myself.

Reviewed, no ban as has along standing good record of cantankerous, sarcastic posts in keeping with the ethos of the forum.

Keep up the good work :thumbl:
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AndyPaul wrote:
Tue Nov 29, 2022 10:23 am
eric olthwaite wrote:
Tue Nov 29, 2022 9:11 am
AndyPaul wrote:
Tue Nov 29, 2022 9:00 am
Isn't Ecuador one of the highest countries? So is it possible when they played it was the highest vs the lowest elevated countries to ever play in the WC.

Can you find this out and report back Eric?
It was seeing this on Twitter that made me research my useless fact :lol:

If you go by Wiki, then Ecuador is 27th highest and amongst countries to have appeared at the World Cup Chile, Peru, Switzerland and Iran are all higher. However it seems that there's a bit of a dispute in relation to whether rank is by mean, median, average or whatever and how it's measured.

Happy to help :thumbl:

Reasonably confident about lowest as only small island nations like the Maldives etc are in the top five.
Fuck knows why but I have found this interesting :lol:
don't get me started on this. at a quiz night at my kids' school a few years ago, they asked teams to name europe's highest altitute capital city. i said andorra la vella, which is objectively correct, but the answer they had down was madrid. i obviously don't expect andorra to qualify for the WC finals anytime this side of the apocalypse.
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AndyPaul wrote:
Tue Nov 29, 2022 10:36 am
jackos wrote:
Tue Nov 29, 2022 10:23 am
You ferking Europeans ruin everything.
Racist, reported to errrrrrrrrr...... myself.

Reviewed, no ban as has along standing good record of cantankerous, sarcastic posts in keeping with the ethos of the forum.

Keep up the good work :thumbl:
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