Brexshit Blunderland

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Re: Brexshit Blunderland

Postby Vampire » Sun May 05, 2019 6:18 am

jackos wrote:So Burberry scraps plans for a new factory in Leeds, but oh no, it's got nothing to do with Brexit


It’ll be a different story with a “Job’s First Brexit.”

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Re: Brexshit Blunderland

Postby eric olthwaite » Wed May 08, 2019 9:14 pm

The Storyville thing on BBC4 about Brexit from the EU side is an interesting watch.

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Re: Brexshit Blunderland

Postby Blackwhite » Wed May 08, 2019 9:48 pm

eric olthwaite wrote:The Storyville thing on BBC4 about Brexit from the EU side is an interesting watch.

Swerved it in favour of a later catch up if justified, PTSD is a bitch.


Not too anger-inducing?
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Re: Brexshit Blunderland

Postby eric olthwaite » Wed May 08, 2019 10:01 pm

Everyone working for the EU comes across as basically trying their best to sort out a mess in the context of a massive bureaucracy. UK gov comes across as a total embarrassment. Just the whole thing about people having meetings in multiple languages and all understanding each other makes us feel like a ridiculous third world country, y’know?

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Re: Brexshit Blunderland

Postby dirty leeds » Thu May 09, 2019 11:04 am

Really fucking enjoying the re-emergence of Ann Widdicombe. Not.

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Re: Brexshit Blunderland

Postby Blackwhite » Thu May 09, 2019 11:49 am

dirty leeds wrote:Really fucking enjoying the re-emergence of Ann Widdicombe. Not.

What was that fucking power stance with Farage all about?

Maybe in the presence of real actual honest to god fascists she just gets uncontrollably fizzy knickers.
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Re: Brexshit Blunderland

Postby eric olthwaite » Fri May 10, 2019 10:57 am

Ian Dunt being about right, as always:

Journalism is very bad at describing stasis. It is the opposite of news, so we don't really know how to deal with it. It's like asking a sports commentator to describe a still-life painting.

But in reality, this is what has defined Brexit for the last three years: a furiously churning status quo in which nothing actually changes. This is why you feel completely out the loop if you miss a morning's worth of Brexit news, but as if nothing has changed when you miss a month's worth.

The truth is, there've only really been two proper moments of news since Theresa May became prime minister. The first was during her conference speech in 2016, when she said the UK would end freedom of movement and leave the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice - and thereby ruled out a close relationship with Europe. The second was in summer 2018, when her Chequers plan revealed that she really was committed to keeping the border in Ireland open - and thereby ruled out a distant relationship with Europe. These two moments provided the instruction manual for her Frankenstein's monster of a deal. But outside of them, nothing ever changed.

Like Robocop, she has three prime directives: 1: Survive internal and external political threats. 2: Negotiate the deal. 3: Pass it. There are no more directives. She just does this over and over again.

Her tactics are similarly unchanged. They are to say anything and do nothing. Whatever is required to survive the day, she will say it. But that has no particular bearing on her future behaviour. It's so simple and obvious, but it has genuinely flummoxed people, because we still contain within us the last vestigial traces of our liberal naivety. We simply don't think prime ministers lie directly to us. This one does. Relentlessly.

In a complex and fraught debate, these are the two things you can rely on: That things hardly ever change and that the prime minister will say anything to stay in power and then go back on it later. The second makes the first harder to perceive. It creates moments where we assume news has happened, only to later discover it has not.

Right now, there is a tremendous amount of excitement about the various Brexit battle fronts. What will happen in the European elections? Will a deal come out of the talks with Labour? If not, will the prime minister pursue indicative votes? Will backbench Tories move against her? Will that trigger a leadership contest in the Conservative party? If so, who will succeed her? What Brexit policy will they pursue? Will there be a general election? Will the UK leave the EU Before the Halloween deadline?

Journalism loves change. That's its lifeblood. So this is what we talk about. But actually the most likely outcome is that nothing changes.

Nigel Farage's party will probably come top in the European elections. This has no meaning - there's no government for him to take over - but it'll be eagerly seized on as proof the Tories have to deliver Brexit. That's bad, but it is really a continuation of where the party already is, rather than a game-changing moment.

Talks with Labour will go nowhere, despite the excitable commentary last week. If indicative votes are put to the Commons, it is likely that none of them will pass. After all, MPs couldn't find a consensus when actively looking for one. They will struggle even more when it is led by a government which doesn't want one. May knows a customs union is the most likely result, and, just as she has done with Labour, she knows it would tear her party apart.

It's also unclear that backbench Tories will succeed at moving against May. They have proved spectacularly incompetent on a basic strategic level. If they do, it will be in the wake of the European elections, but Downing Street is already sending MPs off on holiday for the week afterwards in order to halt any regicidal momentum.

But let's say a leadership challenge is triggered, and that May loses. What then? We end up with exactly the same problems as before, no matter who wins.

A moderate replacement leader, like Rory Stewart, would probably want to move to Soft Brexit, but they would be unable to take the parliamentary party with them. It's not clear they could win a Commons vote on it, even with Labour leadership support. A leader who wanted to just get Brexit over with, like Jeremy Hunt, would face the same choice as May - the EU's deal or no-deal - then decide they don't like no-deal and we'd be back where we started. Even a leader who was prepared to trigger no-deal, like Boris Johnson, would in a few months find themselves back in negotiations with Brussels, where officials would slide the existing withdrawal agreement across the table to them as a precondition of talks. No matter what happens, everything stays the same.

The only way to change it would be to alter the parliamentary arithmetic by holding a general election. A fresh-faced leader enjoying a short-lived bump in the polls goes to the country to make best use of it. And who knows? Maybe it'll work. Politics is volatile. Elections and referendums are like Russian roulette nowadays. You spin the chamber and God knows who cops it in the end.

But looking at the local election results - with pitiful results for Labour and the Tories and both parties projected onto the same level of support if it was repeated at a national level - you don't really come to that conclusion. It looks very much like dismay at the political class would translate into another hung parliament. The same blockage at a parliamentary level preventing progress, no matter who is in charge.

All of which leads up to Halloween and the extended Article 50 deadline. Emmanuel Macron is making lots of noise about no further extensions. Plenty of people in Europe are sympathetic. But when it comes down it, allowing Britain to fall off a cliff would mean sacrificing a member state - Ireland - and being seen on the global stage to have allowed a moment of needless chaos. They are unlikely to do it. So chances are the UK will request another extension and chances are Europe will grant it. The good money is on the UK still being in the EU on November 1st.

Of course, this could all be wrong and probably is. The indicative votes could throw something up. The European election shock might really force out May. This is not a prediction, but a pricing assessment.

In this debate, we overprice moments of change and underprice stasis, because it is boring. But by this point, with the immediate past as our guide, we should presume that the most tedious outcome imaginable is what will come to pass. We are stuck here forever, in this interminable merry-go-round.

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Re: Brexshit Blunderland

Postby Clacton white » Fri May 10, 2019 11:05 am

eric olthwaite wrote:Everyone working for the EU comes across as basically trying their best to sort out a mess in the context of a massive bureaucracy. UK gov comes across as a total embarrassment. Just the whole thing about people having meetings in multiple languages and all understanding each other makes us feel like a ridiculous third world country, y’know?

The most frightening thing out of all this to me is ...... we have to rely on this bunch of inept moronic self servers to run the country all by themselves after this fiasco . I wouldn't trust them to run a school tuck shop let alone a nation .

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Re: Brexshit Blunderland

Postby Blackwhite » Fri May 10, 2019 12:08 pm

Watched pt2 of that Storyville with the wife last night and we were laughing our asses off. Genuinely blackly hilarious.
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Re: Brexshit Blunderland

Postby eric olthwaite » Fri May 10, 2019 12:35 pm

Blackwhite wrote:Watched pt2 of that Storyville with the wife last night and we were laughing our asses off. Genuinely blackly hilarious.


Interesting that the only place a production company commissioned by the Beeb wasn't allowed to film was anywhere UK gov was present. Why do we tolerate the behaviour of these cunts?

I thought they were perhaps over-keen to portray Verhofstadt as a decent cove: the vineyard, the racing classic cars and all that, but you couldn't help but empathise with anyone having to work with the Tories.

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Re: Brexshit Blunderland

Postby Blackwhite » Fri May 10, 2019 1:19 pm

Him choosing to try racing a Lada was *kisses fingertips* for metaphor.
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Re: Brexshit Blunderland

Postby Blackwhite » Sat May 11, 2019 9:52 am

Another one for fans of unsubtle honking metaphors:

You know, I'm sick of following my dreams, man. I'm just going to ask where they're going and hook up with 'em later.

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Re: Brexshit Blunderland

Postby Clacton white » Sat May 11, 2019 4:08 pm

Just got back from holiday in Europe ( Slovenia ) , not one person over there mentioned Brexit , which was nice . Someone mentioned that one of the royals ( or two, suppose it takes two) had had a sprog - which I was unaware of and also don't give one shit about royals , so wasn't interested in where that conversation was going ....obviously they think we all love those parasites . Get the feeling , maybe as its the far side of Europe maybe , that its all pretty irrelevant to them and they really aren't bothered if we are in or out . I did say its a complete clusterfuck over here ( didn't use that exact phrase) and no one seems to have any clue abut what's happening or how to resolve it . It was nice to get away from all of the nonsense over here , not hear any news about how inept we look and how chaotic and disorganised everything is and how no one , even those who supposedly rule and make decisions have the slightest clue in what is happening next . I really wouldn't be surprised if they hold vote all over again ....I say best of 3 wins it :D .

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Re: Brexshit Blunderland

Postby jackos » Sun May 12, 2019 7:16 am

So Farage's Brexit party may be the biggest party in the UK EU election. Me thinks the UK can fuck right off as soon as possible please. Come on Ms May Mr Corbyn, sort yourselves out an exit deal you can get through parliament.


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Re: Brexshit Blunderland

Postby Ponte » Sun May 12, 2019 8:55 am

jackos wrote:So Farage's Brexit party may be the biggest party in the UK EU election. Me thinks the UK can fuck right off as soon as possible please. Come on Ms May Mr Corbyn, sort yourselves out an exit deal you can get through parliament.


I had a flyer from them through my door yesterday. I drew a cock on it and posted it back.

Also, the Lib Dems must reckon they can do some damage round here (Tory MP, outskirts of Leeds) as they are writing to folk directly rather than posting fliers. Had a letter from old Vince.
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Hmmm.

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Re: Brexshit Blunderland

Postby Blackwhite » Fri May 17, 2019 1:31 am

Allegedly, according to Oakeshott, Cameron put his dick in a dead pigs mouth.


Ahem.

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Re: Brexshit Blunderland

Postby Blackwhite » Fri May 17, 2019 2:03 am

Oh and while I'm bored at the bar waiting for food, let's resume hosing the cunt: Man Of The People.
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Re: Brexshit Blunderland

Postby Mustafaster » Sat May 18, 2019 2:59 pm

Watched the Storyville fly-on-the wall doc about Brexit.
A Belgian film wallah had access to Verhofstaden for a longish while.
Pitiful.
Th EU started their planning for the negotiations as soon as the referendum result was announced.
They set up a team tasked with agreeing a plan that everyone is happy with.
They bring in the EU parliament to play its part.
By the time A50 was triggered all the ducks were in a row. Everybody is onside with the plan.
Serious people doing serious work.

Comes the time to start the negotiations and the UK team has nothing except hubris and bluster.
Nada.
No plan A, no Plan B, no strategy, no idea of where they wanted to be or how to get there, no idea of what they were prepared to concede and where they weren't. No clue about maybe trying to get some people on their side to fracture the EU solidity.

The idea is to rock up to Brussels and lay down your demands.
That's it.
Amateurish doesn't come close.
There's one terrifying scene with The Hoff meeting a bunch of Tory MPs, shitehawks to a man , plates of Gammon, whose only line is : "We're a great trading nation, so give us what we want. "
Over and over again. And again.
Felt like watching it from behind the sofa.
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Re: Brexshit Blunderland

Postby Blackwhite » Mon May 20, 2019 1:38 pm

Poor little Niggel F. the latest beneficiary of a milkshake handshake...



... Oh dear, what a shame, never mind.

(I especially love how this activity induces fascists to mutter darkly about how "this kind of thing ends in somebody getting hurt", as if Jo Cox just didn't register in their tiny minds.)
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Re: Brexshit Blunderland

Postby Blackwhite » Tue May 21, 2019 6:50 pm

*BANG!*
AND THEY'RE OFF!

You know, I'm sick of following my dreams, man. I'm just going to ask where they're going and hook up with 'em later.


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