Fitter Stoke (Has A Bath) : CK

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Re: Fitter Stoke (Has A Bath) : CK

Postby Phil LUFC » Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:52 am

sunshine whites wrote:
welshwhite wrote:Phillips never put a foot wrong yesterday, looked a different player. On that form I'd put him ahead of Vieira even if he'd stayed.


fantastic performance by KP,
however not being over critical Oh yes he did and was lucky not to get booked, or worse when the ref started being dick late 2nd half.
One tackle KP he did get the ball but the feet were up, and had he caught someone it would have a careless yellow. Applaud that after 70 mins & 80 mins, KP showing great intensity but at 3-1 up would have been a needless card, or worse, that will inevitably quickly mount up for a ban.

I haven't seen that back but it looked like he got the ball clean enough but his foot went over the ball, the ref had a good view and clearly decided it was unfortunate rather than intentional. Certainly didn't look in control to me, he jumped into it a bit.

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Re: Fitter Stoke (Has A Bath) : CK

Postby Phil LUFC » Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:58 am

MightyWhite wrote:
Tommy wrote:
MightyWhite wrote:Agreed. We blatantly need another centre half but there was absolutely nothing about this game that further emphasised that. A newly relegated team with numerous £10m plus players barely laid a glove on us in that third.

The trouble is that this league largely doesn't consist of playing in August against recently relegated sides still finding their feet in a new division. To me, the question has never been are these players good enough to win a game of football (and win it well) - we know they all are, they've done it many times. The problem has been can they consistently do it over the course of a season and that remains the big question. On the evidence of the past two seasons, probably not. That's why I'd still be looking to bring in a couple of better players if at all possible.


Absolutely. We need a CB, a CM and another striker for me. For all the demands on social media for doubters to eat humble pie on Cooper, Phillips and Roofe the evidence of circa 100+ games for each of them is that they WILL regress to mediocrity sooner or later and we have to expect that to happen until explicitly proven otherwise.

I wasn't sure about a CM but with Forshaw out for a while it couldn't hurt, especially if Dallas is a viable option to play centrally right now. Otherwise agree. Any player we're in for who saw this match must now be telling their agent to get it done.

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Re: Fitter Stoke (Has A Bath) : CK

Postby welshwhite » Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:01 am

sunshine whites wrote:Many great performances yesterday but what a debut & a peach of a delivery in from corner from Douglas!
Pablo -Late in the 2nd half chasing back and defending.
Klich is like having a new signing.
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Aye, while a couple of our players had cramp Pablo was still running around like a young 'un :thumbl:

Seemed most of last years team were given a chance to prove themselves yesterday - they came through it with flying colours.

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Re: Fitter Stoke (Has A Bath) : CK

Postby jackos » Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:07 am

welshwhite wrote:
Aye, while a couple of our players had cramp Pablo was still running around like a young 'un :thumbl:


Bielsa didn’t make any subs until 76” either so most of the players played a full 96” on a pretty hot day.

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Postby Andymac-47 » Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:08 am

welshwhite wrote:
sunshine whites wrote:Many great performances yesterday but what a debut & a peach of a delivery in from corner from Douglas!
Pablo -Late in the 2nd half chasing back and defending.
Klich is like having a new signing.
Immense


Aye, while a couple of our players had cramp Pablo was still running around like a young 'un :thumbl:

Seemed most of last years team were given a chance to prove themselves yesterday - they came through it with flying colours.


They were wearing those monitors (or whatever the fuck they are called) on their backs yesterday, do these things give out readings right away during the match, i thought I saw El'Loco, consulting a coach with a laptop and then making a decision on who to bring off. (This probably my imagination running away again).
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Re: Fitter Stoke (Has A Bath) : CK

Postby dirty leeds » Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:16 am

There was fuck all wrong with Samu, cramp-wise. He was putting it on to break up play and waste time, just before being subbed. Alioski looked a bit of both - he had cramp but he was coming off anyway, so all good.

I agree with whoever pointed out that we had at least half another first team sitting watching that, waiting to take over - several of whom will likely be first choice once we're settled in as a full unit. The midfield and lone striker are going to have to work very hard all season, plus the two fullbacks, who were appearing very high up on the end of crosses all match. So we need alternatives all over the place if we're to keep the intensity up.
Glad we have a full week off to recover. Some don't - Forest playing WBA tomorrow, for instance. Could be two defeats for The Baggies inside four days.

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Re: Fitter Stoke (Has A Bath) : CK

Postby thestraw » Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:32 am

Was Bielsa perhaps proving a point by bringing on Dallas for centre midfield with 5 mins to go? He was unsurprisingly brutal.
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Re: Fitter Stoke (Has A Bath) : CK

Postby Phil LUFC » Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:48 am

thestraw wrote:Was Bielsa perhaps proving a point by bringing on Dallas for centre midfield with 5 mins to go? He was unsurprisingly brutal.

Given he left Pablo wide, probably. The obvious move more have been Dallas wide, Pablo central.

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Re: Fitter Stoke (Has A Bath) : CK

Postby Devi » Mon Aug 06, 2018 10:30 am

Phil LUFC wrote:Any player we're in for who saw this match must now be telling their agent to get it done.


This. In spades.
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Re: Fitter Stoke (Has A Bath) : CK

Postby Tommy » Mon Aug 06, 2018 10:37 am

thestraw wrote:Was Bielsa perhaps proving a point by bringing on Dallas for centre midfield with 5 mins to go? He was unsurprisingly brutal.

I thought about this too. There's also the possibility that when he sends on a player, he isn't thinking about positions so much as traits. If he thinks a player can perform a particular task, it doesn't particularly matter where they usually play.

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Re: Fitter Stoke (Has A Bath) : CK

Postby Mr Reality » Mon Aug 06, 2018 10:58 am

sunshine whites wrote:
Mr Reality wrote:Great start. Hopefully today highlights the need for reinforcements particularly at the back.


& Back end of the season, transfer window, hopefully Radz has learned to back the manager, certainly this one.

Dodged a bullet so far as the transfer activity of players coming in is definitely behind schedule, and they would not expected to be without Forshaw & Vieera on opening

El Loco is no fool, from the pisser
“In some moments the team played like I wanted them to and in other moments they didn’t.
It is a dynamic team, an offensive team and a team that dares to play, my team took risks when moving the ball- these are the positive aspects, but we lacked a little bit of experience at the end of the game.
“Our team has to improve and get better, at the end of the game we didn’t link the defence and the attack by playing on the ground, we didn’t move the ball as well as we wanted and we couldn’t get the ball back in Stoke’s half, so they are all aspects that we need to correct.”


Yep you look at yesterday's game and although cooper played well history has shown that his usual level is far below this. Berardi will be targeted even more so than when he is at full back. Interesting to see bielsa comment on not playing it on the ground something berardi was guilty of throughout.

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Re: Fitter Stoke (Has A Bath) : CK

Postby Mr Reality » Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:00 am

thestraw wrote:Was Bielsa perhaps proving a point by bringing on Dallas for centre midfield with 5 mins to go? He was unsurprisingly brutal.


For the last few minutes when you are trying to protect Dallas is a decent sub although he has very little technical quality when he's only for a few minutes this isn't much of an issue as he has energy so is able to get about the pitch.

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Re: Fitter Stoke (Has A Bath) : CK

Postby Tycipa » Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:02 am

Mr Reality wrote: berardi was guilty of throughout.


That is utter bollocks.
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Re: Fitter Stoke (Has A Bath) : CK

Postby thestraw » Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:14 am

Mr Reality wrote:
thestraw wrote:Was Bielsa perhaps proving a point by bringing on Dallas for centre midfield with 5 mins to go? He was unsurprisingly brutal.


For the last few minutes when you are trying to protect Dallas is a decent sub although he has very little technical quality when he's only for a few minutes this isn't much of an issue as he has energy so is able to get about the pitch.

Not in centre midfield he isnt, he looked like a pub player without a clue what he was supposed to do and a mistake waiting to happen
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Re: Fitter Stoke (Has A Bath) : CK

Postby Mr Reality » Mon Aug 06, 2018 12:02 pm

thestraw wrote:
Mr Reality wrote:
thestraw wrote:Was Bielsa perhaps proving a point by bringing on Dallas for centre midfield with 5 mins to go? He was unsurprisingly brutal.


For the last few minutes when you are trying to protect Dallas is a decent sub although he has very little technical quality when he's only for a few minutes this isn't much of an issue as he has energy so is able to get about the pitch.

Not in centre midfield he isnt, he looked like a pub player without a clue what he was supposed to do and a mistake waiting to happen


What were you expecting? have you watched him in the last few seasons? That is Dallas he's a worker with minimal ability. At 3-1 legs were needed

Another great contract extension.

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Re: Fitter Stoke (Has A Bath) : CK

Postby Mr Reality » Mon Aug 06, 2018 12:03 pm

Tycipa wrote:
Mr Reality wrote: berardi was guilty of throughout.


That is utter bollocks.


Agree to disagree.

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Re: Fitter Stoke (Has A Bath) : CK

Postby Tycipa » Mon Aug 06, 2018 12:06 pm

Mr Reality wrote:
Tycipa wrote:
Mr Reality wrote: berardi was guilty of throughout.


That is utter bollocks.


Agree to disagree.

So you counted all of Berardi's passes and everyone of them was not a pass long the ground, is that what you are saying?
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Re: Fitter Stoke (Has A Bath) : CK

Postby thestraw » Mon Aug 06, 2018 12:08 pm

Mr Reality wrote:
What were you expecting? have you watched him in the last few seasons? That is Dallas he's a worker with minimal ability. At 3-1 legs were needed

Another great contract extension.

Yes I have. At wing back, fullback or on the wing is where he is good to bring on, or as back-up in the squad without any doubt, not centre midfield.
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Re: Fitter Stoke (Has A Bath) : CK

Postby Mr Reality » Mon Aug 06, 2018 12:12 pm

Tycipa wrote:So you counted all of Berardi's passes and everyone of them was not a pass long the ground, is that what you are saying?


No.

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Re: Fitter Stoke (Has A Bath) : CK

Postby Tycipa » Mon Aug 06, 2018 12:16 pm

Mr Reality wrote:
Tycipa wrote:So you counted all of Berardi's passes and everyone of them was not a pass long the ground, is that what you are saying?


No.

So this bit is wrong then....

'Interesting to see bielsa comment on not playing it on the ground something berardi was guilty of throughout.'
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