Is that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football good enough for Leeds United

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Re: Is that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football good enough for Leeds United

Postby Mr Reality » Fri Aug 03, 2018 1:37 pm

FER wrote:
Phil LUFC wrote:
Mr Reality wrote:I know just interesting that it's something that new manager has picked up on.

Also after watching that it's a worry that orta is still around. He does not inspire confidence.

I thought Orta came out of it quite well. Seemed to genuinely care and also got the message he can't sign so many projects. So thats Radz and Orta both in record as having made mistakes and an intention to learn from them.


I thought Orta came over as a total cunt. Spouting the usual bobbins about loving the club and blah blah fucking blah. I thought the whole thing was a shitload of spin with very little which we didn't already know. The only thing I really liked was pausing it when the Yank was on and reading the Club Captain board behind him.

Sky TV Is Fucking Shit!



That board was depressing.

McCormack, Pearce and Warnock. :puker:

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Re: Is that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football good enough for Leeds United

Postby Tommy » Fri Aug 03, 2018 1:37 pm

Devi wrote:
Would there be anything more Leeds than a batsh*t club appointing batsh*t manager and achieving only more mediocrity?


Genius.

I can't remember if I said it on Twitter and/or on here but this was my prediction too - folk were saying it will be either a glorious success or a glorious failure when in all likelihood it will just result in another sacking and a midtable finish, same as last season.

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Re: Is that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football good enough for Leeds United

Postby kennyb41 » Fri Aug 03, 2018 2:03 pm

With the brand of football he plays and a two year contract he has to be given time to see if he can work with any of the shyte he's been handed,he'll never make footballers out of a very good many of them,and with the starting fixtures we've got we're going to get battered if the majority of last years shyte start and the mad mans tactics.
So to me it's put up with mediocre shyte until he somehow waves a magic wand and they somehow manage to play his style.
I for one will not be holding my breath and expect us to be near bottom after first 6 games and if he has no other style we're fcked and will be near bottom all season unless more shyte comes in in Jan 19...........then after end of season clear out and some buys he might want his second year might be more interesing.
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Re: Is that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football good enough for Leeds United

Postby Ponte » Fri Aug 03, 2018 2:25 pm

kennyb41 wrote:With the brand of football he plays and a two year contract he has to be given time to see if he can work with any of the shyte he's been handed,he'll never make footballers out of a very good many of them,and with the starting fixtures we've got we're going to get battered if the majority of last years shyte start and the mad mans tactics.
So to me it's put up with mediocre shyte until he somehow waves a magic wand and they somehow manage to play his style.
I for one will not be holding my breath and expect us to be near bottom after first 6 games and if he has no other style we're fcked and will be near bottom all season unless more shyte comes in in Jan 19...........then after end of season clear out and some buys he might want his second year might be more interesing.
Proper glass half full innit.


Oh come on, misery, most of our players are at least good championship standard.
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Re: Is that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football good enough for Leeds United

Postby AndyPaul » Fri Aug 03, 2018 3:02 pm

FER wrote:
Phil LUFC wrote:I thought Orta came out of it quite well. Seemed to genuinely care and also got the message he can't sign so many projects. So thats Radz and Orta both in record as having made mistakes and an intention to learn from them.


I thought Orta came over as a total cunt. Spouting the usual bobbins about loving the club and blah blah fucking blah. I thought the whole thing was a shitload of spin with very little which we didn't already know. The only thing I really liked was pausing it when the Yank was on and reading the Club Captain board behind him.

Sky TV Is Fucking Shit!


I’d like to think that there is no debate about Orta’s credentials at being an ubercunt.

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Re: Is that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football good enough for Leeds United

Postby Tommy » Fri Aug 03, 2018 4:21 pm

The two things that struck me about Orta in that program is that the fervour with which he denied being on social media suggests he's on it all the time and also that using Klich as a defence of his signings last season is a bit premature given that he still hasn't done the job consistently against Championship opposition (nor has he been given a chance but with Forshaw's injury and Vieira's departure, he might be about to get that shot at last).

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Re: Is that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football good enough for Leeds United

Postby Phil LUFC » Fri Aug 03, 2018 4:41 pm

Tommy wrote:The two things that struck me about Orta in that program is that the fervour with which he denied being on social media suggests he's on it all the time and also that using Klich as a defence of his signings last season is a bit premature given that he still hasn't done the job consistently against Championship opposition (nor has he been given a chance but with Forshaw's injury and Vieira's departure, he might be about to get that shot at last).

Agreed. I wasn't convinced when he claimed to want criticism either. Stick me as fairly thin skinned but, well, it's already known fact he had options in Spain isn't it? If he'd wanted out, he had an escape route. As he's not taken it he's now got to prove he can do better. On paper at least this summer's strategy looks more competent, time will tell.

I think he's genuine with the (seemingly) emotional delivery of his words though, seems to be genuinely passionate and attached to his work. Doesn't make him good at it obviously.

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Re: Is that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football good enough for Leeds United

Postby eric olthwaite » Fri Aug 03, 2018 7:24 pm

I don’t think:
i. We’re going to have a particularly successful season
ii. Bielsa will be here at the end of it.
iii. Any manager can overcome the structural flaws / lack of quality in the squad.

But, I dunno, the idea of starting the season with a genuinely thoughtful manager with an actual considered strategy and a desire to play intelligent, good football - fucking exciting, isn’t it?

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Re: Is that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football good enough for Leeds United

Postby Blackwhite » Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:35 pm

eric olthwaite wrote:But, I dunno, the idea of starting the season with a genuinely thoughtful manager with an actual considered strategy and a desire to play intelligent, good football - fucking exciting, isn’t it?

:thumbl:
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Re: Is that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football good enough for Leeds United

Postby Mr Reality » Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:59 pm

eric olthwaite wrote:
But, I dunno, the idea of starting the season with a genuinely thoughtful manager with an actual considered strategy and a desire to play intelligent, good football - fucking exciting, isn’t it?


Yep I'm still undecided as to whether I am getting a season ticket. The transfer window hasn't inspired confidence but in bielsa we finally have somebody who has a philosophy rather than some of the recent frauds who have spouted a few buzz words.

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Is that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football good enough for Leeds United

Postby Ontolly » Sat Aug 04, 2018 5:57 am

Mr Reality wrote:
eric olthwaite wrote:
But, I dunno, the idea of starting the season with a genuinely thoughtful manager with an actual considered strategy and a desire to play intelligent, good football - fucking exciting, isn’t it?


Yep I'm still undecided as to whether I am getting a season ticket. The transfer window hasn't inspired confidence but in bielsa we finally have somebody who has a philosophy rather than some of the recent frauds who have spouted a few buzz words.

You best crack on - the season starts tomorrow

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Re: Is that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football good enough for Leeds United

Postby Ponte » Sat Aug 04, 2018 6:01 am

Mr Reality wrote:
eric olthwaite wrote:
But, I dunno, the idea of starting the season with a genuinely thoughtful manager with an actual considered strategy and a desire to play intelligent, good football - fucking exciting, isn’t it?


Yep I'm still undecided as to whether I am getting a season ticket. The transfer window hasn't inspired confidence but in bielsa we finally have somebody who has a philosophy rather than some of the recent frauds who have spouted a few buzz words.

But Bielsa has kept hold of Berardi. How can you support a manager that knows less about football than you?
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Re: Is that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football good enough for Leeds United

Postby Blackwhite » Sat Aug 04, 2018 7:54 am

Ponte wrote:
Mr Reality wrote:
eric olthwaite wrote:
But, I dunno, the idea of starting the I with a genuinely thoughtful manager with an actual considered strategy and a desire to play intelligent, good football - fucking exciting, isn’t it?


Yep I'm still undecided as to whether I am getting a season ticket. The transfer window hasn't inspired confidence but in bielsa we finally have somebody who has a philosophy rather than some of the recent frauds who have spouted a few buzz words.

But Bielsa has kept hold of Berardi. How can you support a manager that knows less about football than you?


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Re: Is that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football good enough for Leeds United

Postby Mr Reality » Sat Aug 04, 2018 8:28 am

Ponte wrote:
Mr Reality wrote:
eric olthwaite wrote:
But, I dunno, the idea of starting the season with a genuinely thoughtful manager with an actual considered strategy and a desire to play intelligent, good football - fucking exciting, isn’t it?


Yep I'm still undecided as to whether I am getting a season ticket. The transfer window hasn't inspired confidence but in bielsa we finally have somebody who has a philosophy rather than some of the recent frauds who have spouted a few buzz words.

But Bielsa has kept hold of Berardi. How can you support a manager that knows less about football than you?


Nobody is perfect. Although he won't stand for any of berardi's selfish acts on the field.

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Re: Is that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football good enough for Leeds United

Postby Blackwhite » Sat Aug 04, 2018 8:32 am

El Loco in the Graun, if not already posted.

A sense of déjà vu collided with slight disbelief as Leeds United finalised preparations for the Championship campaign at their leafy, freshly spruced up training base near Wetherby on Friday.

For the fifth time in five years a season is starting with a new manager at Elland Road but, with due respect to Dave Hockaday, Uwe Rösler, Garry Monk and Thomas Christiansen, Marcelo Bielsa arrives trailing the sort of pedigree almost unprecedented in England’s second tier.

He was also surely the first Leeds coach to have informed the assembled media that one of his main aims was to show “I am not a demagogue”. There was also a rare honesty. “When I speak I try not to please people,” the 63-year-old said. “I try not to lie and I try to tell the truth but sometimes it’s hard not to be empathetic.”

As Bielsa spoke for 45 minutes it felt that the slightly astonishing recruitment of the 11th manager to take charge in West Yorkshire since 2013 – Leeds have a habit of switching coaches mid-season too – represents a coup, a challenge, a considerable risk and a wonderful opportunity all rolled into one.

Known as El Loco throughout the Spanish-speaking world, Bielsa – whose latest side entertain Gary Rowett’s high-spending Stoke on Sunday – is the eccentric, non-conformist touched by genius formerly in charge of Argentina, Chile, Athletic Bilbao, Marseille, Lazio (for two days) and Lille (13 league games). The Argentinian mentored Manchester City’s Pep Guardiola – who calls Bielsa “the best coach in the world” – and is revered by, among many others, Tottenham’s Mauricio Pochettino.

Bielsa, assisted by his translator and close lieutenant Salim Lamrani, offered an intriguing insight into the meticulous, non-compromising modus operandi behind his mission not only to reinvigorate but also to rebrand Leeds. As he sat at a table in his grey club training top, shooting interrogators quizzical glances over the top of his glasses, there were hints of a perhaps unexpected humility.

“I think I’m at a club that’s bigger than I deserve,” said a coach whose last title, Olympic gold with Argentina, was collected in 2004. “My goal is to show I deserve this opportunity but also that I’m not a demagogue.”

To his many disciples he is the coach/philosopher whose visionary theories and famed 3-3-3-1 formation moulded the modern game but Bielsa is also the uber maverick with a life now almost mythologised by a series of extraordinary anecdotes, some true, others apocryphal.

There is the tale of his confronting dissenting supporters with a hand grenade and the one about him knocking on the door of Pochettino’s parents at 1am in order to measure the legs of their sleeping teenage son. At Lille he ordered the building of 20 training ground bungalows so players could sleep beside the practice pitches.

It is an understatement to say that philosophy matters to Bielsa, something stressed as he detailed his idiosyncratic blend of manifesto and dogma. “We want to impose our style,” he said. “Our idea is to play in the opponent’s half and that means we will dominate the opponent. We try to link the three lines of our team without playing any long balls.

“I prefer players who have creativity. I accept the risk you take when you try to build from the back. I wouldn’t criticise a team who play long balls, who speculate, who wait before attacking, but mine is the philosophy I can transmit and it has to be deeply rooted in respect for the rules. I consider the rules as protection for creative football.”

That will be music to the ears of Patrick Bamford, Leeds’ £7m summer signing, who has joined alongside the former Wolves left-back Barry Douglas and a handful of loanees, including Chelsea’s midfielder Lewis Baker.

“My style’s not better or worse than any other, it’s the one I believe in,” continued Bielsa after shrugging off questions about the loss of his young midfielder Ronaldo Vieira to Sampdoria for £6m. “Footballers are a blend of three things; heart, mind and legs. You cannot convince them unless you truly believe what you say. I hope my work with Leeds will be full of emotions.”

As the clock ticked on, a lover of finely nuanced language who had begun by apologising for his “embarrassingly poor” English, introduced a note of humour. “After 30 minutes attention decreases,” Bielsa declared. “So please don’t be bored.” No one was.
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Re: Is that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football good enough for Leeds United

Postby Blackwhite » Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:09 pm

...and more.

The bit about Baker taking a pay cut to work with Bielsa is a great sign
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Re: Is that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football good enough for Leeds United

Postby Ponte » Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:46 pm

Blackwhite wrote:...and more.

The bit about Baker taking a pay cut to work with Bielsa is a great sign

I don’t get that, are Chelsea refusing to pay part of his wages?

This appointment is so exciting though...please please don’t go to shit.
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Re: Is that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football good enough for Leeds United

Postby Ponte » Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:47 pm

Had to prove himself to Jackett and Ripley :lol:

Love the litter picking part too.
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Re: Is that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football good enough for Leeds United

Postby kennyb41 » Sat Aug 04, 2018 1:00 pm

https://cdn.images.dailystar.co.uk/dyna ... 412505.jpg

I love El Loco's appointment and if this is the team would be made up at the intention and ambition of it....attack,attack,attack.

Won't work at first,but if he can get it working we'll be nowhere near bottom.

Now that's what I call glass half full innit.



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