YES that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football IS good enough for Leeds United

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Re: YES that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football IS good enough for Leeds United

Postby Blackwhite » Sun Sep 13, 2020 12:12 pm

You know, I'm sick of following my dreams, man. I'm just going to ask where they're going and hook up with 'em later.

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Re: YES that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football IS good enough for Leeds United

Postby BARE-NAKED-LADY » Sun Sep 27, 2020 10:20 am

Wasn't sure where to put this, but they talk about Bielsa a lot so....a good 3 min watch from BT Sport

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Re: YES that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football IS good enough for Leeds United

Postby Devi » Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:55 am

Prompted in part by

dirty leeds wrote:Dunno about you lot, but watching Leeds since Bielsa is much more of an education about tactics in every game. The Bielsa v Wilder clash yesterday was working out fairly evenly until our superior fitness gave us the edge at the end.


I got to thinking that this is in essence both our opportunity, and our weakness.

Last season, our fitness (F), combined with our tactics (T) and our base skill levels (S) were regularly better than our opponents. I.e. Our FxTxS > Your FxTxS

Form probably comes into it too, but its why I think we'll be ok this season too. Our fitness will be better than pretty much every one else's. Our tactics will usually be better - not that Im doubting MB, but there will be games that the opposition out smarts us offensively (eg Liverpool), and others where I expect them to outsmart us defensively (likely the Burnley's of this world, who I fully expect to park the bus a la Blunts, who at home played with 5 at the back for great chunks of yesterdays game), and there will certainly be games where the opposition base skill level is, even through rose tinted glasses, just better (eg City).

But each weekend, we'll at least have a chance, because of F&T, and without having to rely on S. The opposition are going to have to be fitter, tactically smarter and or just 'better' to be confident of beating us. Very few sides will out do us on all three metrics. But we need at least to maintain our standards on the same. We'll maybe not win more than we lose, but Im sure we'll not lose as many as some expect us to.
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Re: YES that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football IS good enough for Leeds United

Postby Tommy » Mon Sep 28, 2020 1:17 pm

Seems as though Diego Flores has done one. Bielsa does seem to shed approximately one coach per year. I'd imagine distance and opportunity plays into it somewhat.

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Re: YES that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football IS good enough for Leeds United

Postby Quiffy » Sat Oct 03, 2020 7:46 pm

he can't walk away after this season surely? he's built something so fantastic, has always moved it forwards, pointed it in the right direction. how could he walk away without seeing the destination. we've come so far in only 4 months.

just one more year please?
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Re: YES that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football IS good enough for Leeds United

Postby jackos » Sat Oct 03, 2020 8:35 pm

Wouldn't surprise me if one of the Champions League big boys comes calling this season/next summer after the way we've started this season. Don't think he'll leave mid season but I guess he could be tempted by a tilt at the Champions League next year.

I'm hoping he'll want to stay until fans are back in the ground, and that'll encourage him to ignore other offers and stay for another year.
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Re: YES that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football IS good enough for Leeds United

Postby Quiffy » Sat Oct 03, 2020 8:39 pm

jackos wrote:Wouldn't surprise me if one of the Champions League big boys comes calling this season/next summer after the way we've started this season. Don't think he'll leave mid season but I guess he could be tempted by a tilt at the Champions League next year.

I'm hoping he'll want to stay until fans are back in the ground, and that'll encourage him to ignore other offers and stay for another year.

didn't barcelona come knocking this summer? marcelo stayed in bed. what a man.
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Re: YES that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football IS good enough for Leeds United

Postby jackos » Sat Oct 03, 2020 8:54 pm

Quiffy wrote:didn't barcelona come knocking this summer? marcelo stayed in bed. what a man.


Don't think they came knocking, just a rumour Messi wanted them to sign him :mrgreen:
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Re: YES that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football IS good enough for Leeds United

Postby Phil LUFC » Sat Oct 03, 2020 8:58 pm

As long as there's more to the project he might just stay. If next season is genuinely a top 4 challenge (or better if we're already in Europe) he could be tempted I'm sure. If it's merely the "difficult 2nd season" with little ambition shown then that's different.

Regardless, I don't want to think about it just yet, I'm determined to enjoy every glorious minute of this season.

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Re: YES that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football IS good enough for Leeds United

Postby Quiffy » Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:18 pm

jackos wrote:
Quiffy wrote:didn't barcelona come knocking this summer? marcelo stayed in bed. what a man.


Don't think they came knocking, just a rumour Messi wanted them to sign him :mrgreen:

we'll never know for sure, i thought there was more behind it, but i did hear that celtic approached him just before he came to leeds and he said no.
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Re: YES that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football IS good enough for Leeds United

Postby Devi » Sun Oct 04, 2020 8:53 am

Just me, or did yesterday’s performance definitively close this thread?
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Re: YES that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football IS good enough for Leeds United

Postby Blackwhite » Sun Oct 04, 2020 9:12 am

Devi wrote:Just me, or did yesterday’s performance definitively close this thread?

TBF the thread for a while has been like offerings at a shrine rather than an actual required debate... A nice bucket for all the further proofs, perhaps.

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Re: YES that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football IS good enough for Leeds United

Postby eric olthwaite » Sun Oct 04, 2020 10:39 am

I was on a work call this week and there was some casual football chat before everyone dialled in. I used the phrase ‘our Lord Marcelo, peace be upon him’ when there was a Muslim bloke online.

Wondered whether I’d crossed a line :mrgreen:
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Re: YES that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football IS good enough for Leeds United

Postby BARE-NAKED-LADY » Sun Oct 04, 2020 8:37 pm

Just came across this incase you haven't seen it yet.

I think I love Bamford - he speaks French! Plays instruments (well I knew that already) and reads! No wonder Bielsa loves him. I knew he was an articulate and intelligent guy, but he's not your ordinary footballer is he?!

A bit about Bielsa understanding English too.

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Re: YES that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football IS good enough for Leeds United

Postby topbin » Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:23 am

I can't work out whether Bielsa would do another season or not.

It feels like every time he's left a club it's been because something hasn't been how he wanted (Bilbao - sold his 2 key players, Marseille - board promises not kept, Lazio - same, Lille - fuck knows, but got canned)

He did last a long time at both Argentina (6 years before a disastrous WC campaign meant he got sacked) and Chile (4 years - left on principle due to their FA getting too involved)

If we give him what he wants (and his requests don't seem unreasonable so far?) I don't see why he wouldn't stay. He clearly loves the club and the fans, and we're making progress each year. I just don't see him going to a soulless corporation like scum or tottenham or whoever, where he can't change the culture of the environment to his every whim.

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Re: YES that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football IS good enough for Leeds United

Postby Mustafaster » Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:27 am

topbin wrote:I can't work out whether Bielsa would do another season or not.

It feels like every time he's left a club it's been because something hasn't been how he wanted (Bilbao - sold his 2 key players, Marseille - board promises not kept, Lazio - same, Lille - fuck knows, but got canned)

He did last a long time at both Argentina (6 years before a disastrous WC campaign meant he got sacked) and Chile (4 years - left on principle due to their FA getting too involved)

If we give him what he wants (and his requests don't seem unreasonable so far?) I don't see why he wouldn't stay. He clearly loves the club and the fans, and we're making progress each year. I just don't see him going to a soulless corporation like scum or tottenham or whoever, where he can't change the culture of the environment to his every whim.

Leeds will be his last job.
When he leaves he will go back to Rosario.
If we are very lucky we might get one more year.
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Re: YES that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football IS good enough for Leeds United

Postby dirty leeds » Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:28 am

Mustafaster wrote:Leeds will be his last job.
When he leaves he will go back to Rosario.
If we are very lucky we might get one more year.


Agree.

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Re: YES that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football IS good enough for Leeds United

Postby Arnieb » Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:31 am

dirty leeds wrote:
Mustafaster wrote:Leeds will be his last job.
When he leaves he will go back to Rosario.
If we are very lucky we might get one more year.


Agree.


Yep - if we get 2 prem seasons from him we will have done well. I am genuinely not looking forward to the day he leaves. Let's be frank - we were clinically dead when he took over.

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Re: YES that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football IS good enough for Leeds United

Postby Trumper » Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:50 am

Isn’t there any way we could force him to stay?..like Wicker Man type shit....without the setting on fire stuff though

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Re: YES that Mad Bastard Bielsa's brand of football IS good enough for Leeds United

Postby jackos » Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:52 am

Mustafaster wrote:Leeds will be his last job.
When he leaves he will go back to Rosario.
If we are very lucky we might get one more year.


Why do you say that? He's seems to be healthy, he's a workaholic, and he's spent the majority of his life and marriage on the road. Wouldn't surprise me if he continued to work for another 10 years if his health holds up
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