Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby welshwhite » Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:39 pm

MightyWhite wrote:49ers looking forward increase their stake holding

Seems a little to perverse to decide the time to increase your stake is after the value of the shares went up several fold

Interesting that their top guys are shlepping over to Leeds every 6 weeks for board meetings. Clearly they’re taking this shit very seriously.


They've waited until we're confirmed as promoted to buy more shares (takes away the gamble). Some of their crew come over because they're already about 10% owners.

This is exciting, I can see them pumping in more cash, maybe more than their previous £11m.

It's time to have a peck at that 200/1, people.
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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby jackos » Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:59 pm

I'm sure the original deal was reported as including an option for them to increase every year up to a maximum of 17% or something like that.
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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby welshwhite » Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:06 pm

jackos wrote:I'm sure the original deal was reported as including an option for them to increase every year up to a maximum of 17% or something like that.


Getting promoted would have probably changed all that.
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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby Yeboah » Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:58 pm

Contrite as fuck, this lad is going nowhere

https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/ ... an-2930257

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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby welshwhite » Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:14 pm

Yeboah wrote:Contrite as fuck, this lad is going nowhere

https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/ ... an-2930257


He should take the fuckers to a court of appeal, get his 60k back and get the fuckers to apologise for putting him through all the anguish.

If he was guilty his teamates would not be sticking by him, if he loses his case I'll pay all his costs, can't be fairer than that :thumbl:

Once again another Leeds player gets treated unfairly [just like Pontus] by the cunts in power - Who would have thought it.
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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby Andymac-47 » Sat Aug 01, 2020 12:59 pm

welshwhite wrote:
Yeboah wrote:Contrite as fuck, this lad is going nowhere

https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/ ... an-2930257


He should take the fuckers to a court of appeal, get his 60k back and get the fuckers to apologise for putting him through all the anguish.

If he was guilty his teamates would not be sticking by him, if he loses his case I'll pay all his costs, can't be fairer than that :thumbl:

Once again another Leeds player gets treated unfairly [just like Pontus] by the cunts in power - Who would have thought it.

Yeah, but he's still a bit of a shite keeper!
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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby jackos » Sat Aug 01, 2020 2:58 pm

21M quid anyone?





Looks fit enough....

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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby dirty leeds » Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:39 am

Article on The Athletic re Brighton. Talking to Bloom. Haven't read because it's behind the paywall, but according to a Waccoer it says:

- they made a loss last year and are bracing for a 'record loss' this year
- lost huge amounts of income due to broadcast repayments and their top-4 fixtures being behind closed doors
- brought in a lot of players and haven't sold many, "that will change"
- they have too many CBs and spending will depend on "who may move on"
- Duffy, Dunk and White named as likely to attract attention
- decisions on outgoings are not solely in Potter's hands
- club was ineligible for government support due to historic losses
- various infrastructure projects (including stadium expansion) on hold.

So Ben likely to move out, then? As to where, well...

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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby Bobbycollins » Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:12 am

dirty leeds wrote:Article on The Athletic re Brighton. Talking to Bloom. Haven't read because it's behind the paywall, but according to a Waccoer it says:

- they made a loss last year and are bracing for a 'record loss' this year
- lost huge amounts of income due to broadcast repayments and their top-4 fixtures being behind closed doors
- brought in a lot of players and haven't sold many, "that will change"
- they have too many CBs and spending will depend on "who may move on"
- Duffy, Dunk and White named as likely to attract attention
- decisions on outgoings are not solely in Potter's hands
- club was ineligible for government support due to historic losses
- various infrastructure projects (including stadium expansion) on hold.

So Ben likely to move out, then? As to where, well...

I haven't read the article (too mean to pay) but I'm not sure that Brighton's top 4 fixtures would have generated much more income than any other fixtures, given that their crowds were all close to capacity of 30,600ish., Brighton's turnover for 2019 and 2018 was pretty similar with £18.5m from matchdays and around £110m from TV.

At one point a total TV repayment of £340m was being talked about but as all EPL games were eventually televised, has the final repayment been agreed?

I can't see Duffy staying as he made fewer starts under potter after Webster arrived, which could leave Brighton with Dunk, Webster and White.

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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby Yeboah » Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:14 am

Question remains with White, would we want to spend 50% of our summer transfer budget on him?

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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby Professor Weeto » Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:17 am

Bobbycollins wrote:
dirty leeds wrote:Article on The Athletic re Brighton. Talking to Bloom. Haven't read because it's behind the paywall, but according to a Waccoer it says:

- they made a loss last year and are bracing for a 'record loss' this year
- lost huge amounts of income due to broadcast repayments and their top-4 fixtures being behind closed doors
- brought in a lot of players and haven't sold many, "that will change"
- they have too many CBs and spending will depend on "who may move on"
- Duffy, Dunk and White named as likely to attract attention
- decisions on outgoings are not solely in Potter's hands
- club was ineligible for government support due to historic losses
- various infrastructure projects (including stadium expansion) on hold.

So Ben likely to move out, then? As to where, well...

I haven't read the article (too mean to pay) but I'm not sure that Brighton's top 4 fixtures would have generated much more income than any other fixtures, given that their crowds were all close to capacity of 30,600ish., Brighton's turnover for 2019 and 2018 was pretty similar with £18.5m from matchdays and around £110m from TV.

At one point a total TV repayment of £340m was being talked about but as all EPL games were eventually televised, has the final repayment been agreed?

I can't see Duffy staying as he made fewer starts under potter after Webster arrived, which could leave Brighton with Dunk, Webster and White.


I think that top four fixtures thing was more speculation from the journalist rather than anything the chairman actually said, but I suspect it's be based on boxes, corporate hospitality etc rather than regular tickets. Here's the quote:

"A £330 million repayment by clubs to broadcasters, caused by the 100-day suspension of play and return to matches behind closed doors, has been accompanied by an estimated shortfall of between £20 million and £30 million in ticketing and commercial income from Brighton’s last five home games. Those fixtures included money-spinners against Arsenal, Manchester United, Liverpool and Manchester City."

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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby topbin » Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:23 am

Bobbycollins wrote:
I can't see Duffy staying as he made fewer starts under potter after Webster arrived, which could leave Brighton with Dunk, Webster and White.


They've also bought in an absolute coup of a transfer getting in Veltman from Ajax, he can play at RB but primarily plays at CB so then you're with Dunk, Webster, Veltmans, plus he talks about a number of promising youngsters in that position.

Definitely put my hope-o-meter up for getting White

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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby welshwhite » Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:08 am

Yeboah wrote:Question remains with White, would we want to spend 50% of our summer transfer budget on him?


I always struggle to put things like this into written words Yebs, but I'll have a go.
When a club buys a player they are sort of looking to buy points.

A good striker gives you more goals = More points.
A good midfielder/winger creates more goals = More points.
A good defender/keeper helps a team conceed fewer goals - More points.

At the back White certainly helps us conceed less, therefore losing him will cost us points.
In midfield Pablo is our main creater, his age and fewer game time minutes means losing his input will cost us gained points.
Up front/wide we have absolutely no players capable of scoring the goals we'll need just to survive in the Premiership. Struggle to win games, fewer points.

We need at least three players, so in answer to your question - Yes we need White here (mostly because he's aready capable of playing our style of football).

Happy fishing :thumbl:
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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby Blackwhite » Mon Aug 03, 2020 11:22 am

So, £53m a year, in other words?

Why do these cunts make it so complicated?
You know, I'm sick of following my dreams, man. I'm just going to ask where they're going and hook up with 'em later.

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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby the flying pig » Mon Aug 03, 2020 11:49 am

Blackwhite wrote:So, £53m a year, in other words?

Why do these cunts make it so complicated?


i suppose the complicated bit is that the £160m assumes coming straight back down so it's one year of full whack plus two seasons of parachute money.

the £265m assumes two years of full whack plus three seasons of parachute money [you get an extra year if you don't go straight back down].

though the figures look more than a little odd to me, possibly wrong, e.g., assuming that the figures have been calculated assuming no contractual break [in the value of domestic or overseas PL rights] then he's saying, where x is full whack and y is parachute:

(a) x + 2y = 160;
(b) 2x + 3y = 265

from (a):

(c) 2x + 4y = 320;

(c)-(d) tells you that y = 55, implying that x is only 50, so the parachute money would be more than the actual payments, which seems, y'know, suspect

i'm pretty sure that the actual numbers are more like x = 100 [if you finish bottom, if you finish fourth bottom or better i think that gets you at least another £5m] and based on a quick google, y is more like 30-40 or summat, so really, whilst total (a) [£160m] looks plausible, (b) [£265m] looks too low. imo.

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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby Blackwhite » Mon Aug 03, 2020 12:33 pm

Blackwhite wrote:
Why do these cunts make it so complicated?
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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby jackos » Mon Aug 03, 2020 12:53 pm

the flying pig wrote:
i suppose the complicated bit is that the £160m assumes coming straight back down so it's one year of full whack plus two seasons of parachute money.

the £265m assumes two years of full whack plus three seasons of parachute money [you get an extra year if you don't go straight back down].

though the figures look more than a little odd to me, possibly wrong, e.g., assuming that the figures have been calculated assuming no contractual break [in the value of domestic or overseas PL rights] then he's saying, where x is full whack and y is parachute:

(a) x + 2y = 160;
(b) 2x + 3y = 265

from (a):

(c) 2x + 4y = 320;

(c)-(d) tells you that y = 55, implying that x is only 50, so the parachute money would be more than the actual payments, which seems, y'know, suspect

i'm pretty sure that the actual numbers are more like x = 100 [if you finish bottom, if you finish fourth bottom or better i think that gets you at least another £5m] and based on a quick google, y is more like 30-40 or summat, so really, whilst total (a) [£160m] looks plausible, (b) [£265m] looks too low. imo.


160m could easily be excluding TV income. Commercial, match day, sponsorship etc will increase dramatically and could easily top 100m.
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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby Phil LUFC » Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:22 pm

the flying pig wrote:
Blackwhite wrote:So, £53m a year, in other words?

Why do these cunts make it so complicated?


i suppose the complicated bit is that the £160m assumes coming straight back down so it's one year of full whack plus two seasons of parachute money.

the £265m assumes two years of full whack plus three seasons of parachute money [you get an extra year if you don't go straight back down].

though the figures look more than a little odd to me, possibly wrong, e.g., assuming that the figures have been calculated assuming no contractual break [in the value of domestic or overseas PL rights] then he's saying, where x is full whack and y is parachute:

(a) x + 2y = 160;
(b) 2x + 3y = 265

from (a):

(c) 2x + 4y = 320;

(c)-(d) tells you that y = 55, implying that x is only 50, so the parachute money would be more than the actual payments, which seems, y'know, suspect

i'm pretty sure that the actual numbers are more like x = 100 [if you finish bottom, if you finish fourth bottom or better i think that gets you at least another £5m] and based on a quick google, y is more like 30-40 or summat, so really, whilst total (a) [£160m] looks plausible, (b) [£265m] looks too low. imo.

Neither X nor Y is constant so the maths doesn't work so well. I think parachute payments are currently 43m ish in year 1 and half that in years 2 and 3.

It's about 90m for finishing bottom + 45m + 25m = 160m vs 100m for finishing outside the bottom 3 + 90m for finishing bottom + 45m + 25m + 15m = 275m

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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby AmarinderBedi » Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:04 pm

Nice explanation Phil


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