Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby Tommy » Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:25 pm

Bobbycollins wrote:Why the big down on JKA?

Rumours abound that he couldn't make his target weight, which Bielsa ranks somewhere above taking a shit on his desk in terms of things he finds intolerable. This happened last season with Phillips (who subsequently hit his target and has been virtually omnipresent ever since) and Brown (who struggled to do so and was never given a sniff).

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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby sunshine whites » Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:22 pm

JKA The 23-year-old has scored just 23 goals in his professional career, across six seasons. That’s an average of 3.8 goals per campaign.

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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby sunshine whites » Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:27 pm

Just as a comparison
Andy Carroll at his peak, England & EPL player, from Bindippers to West Ham 19M
Charlie Austin move have all been for around 5M, maybe not reached his potential but 5M for decent striker
PUKKI valued at 10M scored 11 goals in EPL, got carrot crunchers promoted ,works his nads off, proven & fit
1/3rd cost of JKA
JKA is all hype & potential, defo damaged goods which so far beyond repair, we dont have the resources or time to gamble 18M,

18M will buy you 2 proven players whom will play 30+ games capable of min 10-15 goals

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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby welshwhite » Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:31 pm

sunshine whites wrote:JKA The 23-year-old has scored just 23 goals in his professional career, across six seasons. That’s an average of 3.8 goals per campaign.


Cheers for the info, S. I was looking for the reason Victor wanted him here.

He's really excelled with this cunt, I wonder who he's planning on bringing here when we've got tens of millions burning a hole in our pockets when we go up.

Maybe Boro and Wolves have a couple more top players to sell us :thumbl:
I never knew Augustin was £18m.

So next seasons £40m strikeforce could consist of:
Augustin
Costa
Bamford

There is no going back on it, we're stuck with them, any other money needs to be spent on a Keeper, Centre Back & a replacement for Pablo.
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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby eric olthwaite » Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:48 pm

sunshine whites wrote:Just as a comparison
Andy Carroll at his peak, England & EPL player, from Bindippers to West Ham 19M
Charlie Austin move have all been for around 5M, maybe not reached his potential but 5M for decent striker
PUKKI valued at 10M scored 11 goals in EPL, got carrot crunchers promoted ,works his nads off, proven & fit
1/3rd cost of JKA
JKA is all hype & potential, defo damaged goods which so far beyond repair, we dont have the resources or time to gamble 18M,

18M will buy you 2 proven players whom will play 30+ games capable of min 10-15 goals


Bit of a one sided list. Lots of clubs waste cash too: McCormack, Assombalonga, Rhodes etc
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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby sunshine whites » Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:58 pm

eric olthwaite wrote: Bit of a one sided list. Lots of clubs waste cash too: McCormack, Assombalonga, Rhodes etc


the questions is risk NONE of the players you mentioned were crocked when signed, all in 10M bracket, & all PROVEN top goal scorers.
WTF would you spunk 18 fkn Million on a totally unproven injured prospect, fine if you top 6 club flush with funds farming potential talent.
Far to much down side risk, and as you point its bad if you drop 10M on player who busts but 18 fkn M!! Seth Johnson level financial madness & risking promotion.

We needed some fker to come in January and put the chances away, we create plenty just no one hitting the onion bag
If El Loco had not mismanaged Fast Eddie we would have guy capable of hitting the target
Roberts was crocked still unproven,
We just needed someone NOW Che Adams was the one but sadly it did not happen.

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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby Bobbycollins » Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:00 pm

sunshine whites wrote:Just as a comparison
Andy Carroll at his peak, England & EPL player, from Bindippers to West Ham 19M
Charlie Austin move have all been for around 5M, maybe not reached his potential but 5M for decent striker
PUKKI valued at 10M scored 11 goals in EPL, got carrot crunchers promoted ,works his nads off, proven & fit
1/3rd cost of JKA
JKA is all hype & potential, defo damaged goods which so far beyond repair, we dont have the resources or time to gamble 18M,

18M will buy you 2 proven players whom will play 30+ games capable of min 10-15 goals


Carroll was sold by Liverpool to West ham in 2013 - I suggest the £19m fee would probably have at least doubled in the 7 years since then and in any event his goalscoring record of 6 goals in 44 games for Liverpool and 26 goals in 6 years for West ham is nothing to become excited about
Charlie Austin was playing for our promotion rivals in Jan and wasn't likely to be sold to Leeds - was a good £5m striker available?
Pukki valued at £10m, which I don't think is 1/3rd of £18m and again was he available in Jan?

I'm not suggesting JKA is a world-beater but he has played at the top level whilst competing for a starting place against the likes of Ibrahimovic and Cavani, rather than playing alongside Barn Door Billy for Swindon.

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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby Quiffy » Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:33 pm

i'm with bobbyc on this. i'm reasonably confident that at some stage both tfp (and tommy?) have used the argument that you need to see a player play a few games before you can make a judgement about them and i think this was used to quell anybody getting 'carried away' about someone like samu saiz being any good, based on one or two games.

yet at the same time we've seen absolutely sod all of JKA but he's been labelled duff? didn't bielsa himself say that the only reason we've had a chance to sign a player with kev's pedigree was because he's been injured and out of favour, suggesting he's seen what he could be capable of.

if he was worthy of the deal 6 months ago for his playing ability then he's not suddenly lost his ability. if it's fitness that is genuinely the problem then there'll definitely be some clause in the deal. we have no real idea if it's attitude, that'd be just speculation at this stage.
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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby the flying pig » Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:58 pm

Quiffy wrote:i'm with bobbyc on this. i'm reasonably confident that at some stage both tfp (and tommy?) have used the argument that you need to see a player play a few games before you can make a judgement about them and i think this was used to quell anybody getting 'carried away' about someone like samu saiz being any good, based on one or two games.

yet at the same time we've seen absolutely sod all of JKA but he's been labelled duff? didn't bielsa himself say that the only reason we've had a chance to sign a player with kev's pedigree was because he's been injured and out of favour, suggesting he's seen what he could be capable of.

if he was worthy of the deal 6 months ago for his playing ability then he's not suddenly lost his ability. if it's fitness that is genuinely the problem then there'll definitely be some clause in the deal. we have no real idea if it's attitude, that'd be just speculation at this stage.


I'm not saying that the guy is wank, that he'll never amount to anything, more, I suppose, that it seems unlikely he'll do much under our current head coach, who I very much hope stays in the gig for as long as possible.

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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby Quiffy » Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:08 pm

the flying pig wrote:
I'm not saying that the guy is wank, that he'll never amount to anything, more, I suppose, that it seems unlikely he'll do much under our current head coach, who I very much hope stays in the gig for as long as possible.

ahh, so the 'value-less asset who for €21m would be a travesty for a guy who can't get a sniff behind Pat Bamford'. isn't wank?

i think my misunderstanding is understandable your honour.
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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby Blackwhite » Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:17 pm

Hi Keir!
You know, I'm sick of following my dreams, man. I'm just going to ask where they're going and hook up with 'em later.

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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby jackos » Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:21 pm

The only upsides to us not getting promoted would be; 1) easier to get tickets, 2) not being obliged to buy Augustin....
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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby Tommy » Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:35 pm

the flying pig wrote:I'm not saying that the guy is wank, that he'll never amount to anything, more, I suppose, that it seems unlikely he'll do much under our current head coach, who I very much hope stays in the gig for as long as possible.

I suspect he has fucked it with Bielsa. My interpretation of what Phil Hay has reported is that there's more to it than the lingering injury, he's also not performed as expected and hasn't managed to get to the level of fitness asked of him in general.

He'll have some sort of a career somewhere but I can't see a situation in which it will be at Leeds.

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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby jackos » Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:22 am

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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby sunshine whites » Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:57 pm

JKA must have potential otherwise El Loco would not have sanctioned the move
He does not yet have the physical ability and fitness to show up for work, or meet the requirements of El Loco
He does not have a proven scoring track record
We dont have the luxury of time or resources its very risky & a very bad deal
What ever happened to Seth Johnson?

Sometimes it works out, look at Danny Ings, but sadly more often than not it does not

We are not taking about a casual punt this would be a club record fee, for that kind of money you should get proven quality that will improve the team & results

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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby Eddies Boots » Fri Jul 03, 2020 3:15 am

I would think they just have to prove he has never been fit and cancel the loan deal to void the purchase clause.

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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby dirty leeds » Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:20 am

Eddies Boots wrote:I would think they just have to prove he has never been fit and cancel the loan deal to void the purchase clause.


Surely we did a medical?

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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby Eddies Boots » Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:36 am

dirty leeds wrote:
Eddies Boots wrote:I would think they just have to prove he has never been fit and cancel the loan deal to void the purchase clause.


Surely we did a medical?


I am sure - but I didn't really mean it.
More that there must be a lot of ways to break a contract that you don't want to be in, and certainly one that has conditional clauses.

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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby Ponte » Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:00 am

If we have to sign him it means we’ve gone up. Let’s get there first. We just then need to get him fit, surely he has no less talent or potential than he did in January when everyone had a stiffy about it.
Since his original hamstring injury he’s had no TA or U23 games available.
Honestly, being forced to sign him does not concern me as much as the deal ending due to no promotion.
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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby Ontolly » Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:37 am

Make out that we're keen to get the deal done and let the scum gazump us :thumbl:
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