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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 1:31 pm
by rss1969
Yeboah wrote:
rss1969 wrote:Jack Brooks was sold to Bournemouth for 11.5m aged 21 after 30 apps & 3 goals for Blunts

Jack Clarke has 22 apps & 2 goals for us when 3 years younger than Brooks. Scum & City were sniffing around him before the season even started.

Too right he is worth 15m in that market.

Daniel James was virtually unheard of when we nearly signed him and is also 3 years older than Clarke. If he is worth 15m then Clarke is at least that level.


Assume you mean David Brooks?

Much better player
Automatic first team starter

Clarke has had a handful of decent games, a dodgy illness

And he doesn’t actually look like he could effectively play more than one half of football at even our level.

Comparison is bizarre imo


Fucking nonsense.

Far better player according to who? You? Spurs seem to think otherwise.

He was not an automatic starter for Blunts. He scored as a late sub against us, so there is the 1st comparison that works.

Similar amount of games in the same division. Attacking player who can play wide or as AM/ST. How many decent games did he have then or are you his agent as well as coach, pro and analyst?

Both have had their breakthrough seasons, both have had an impact that has alerted PL clubs, Clarke is several years younger which means he is better developed at a younger age..........that puts more of a fee on him not less.

You just want to be in the opposite corner to everyone else no matter how ridiculous you look.

Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 1:43 pm
by Mustafaster
If anyone offers more than 10m for Clarke we should snatch their hands off.
Yes he's talented, but he's flakey.
PL defenders will eathim alive.

Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 1:54 pm
by dirty leeds
The fact that Poch/Spurs are interested in our Jack [and a figure of £10m has already been reported], whereas Brooks only went to Bournemouth, speaks volumes. I like Bournemouth's playing style and I like Brooks as a player, but no top four club was remotely interested.

Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 2:38 pm
by the flying pig
dirty leeds wrote:The fact that Poch/Spurs are interested in our Jack [and a figure of £10m has already been reported], whereas Brooks only went to Bournemouth, speaks volumes. I like Bournemouth's playing style and I like Brooks as a player, but no top four club was remotely interested.


there's quite a difference between reported interest and something being in any way likely to happen.

my instinct is that, for a non-PL player to go for more than £10m, he needs to have been a nailed on, successful or at least very promising, starter for his club for at least say half a season, ideally a full season. that's what we say with brooks, also say lloyd kelly & james maddison.

an alternative to this level of qualification might be a strong record with england age group teams, but JC doesn't have that either. so far he's proven nothing.

Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 3:11 pm
by Ponte
Yeboah in taking up contrary viewpoint shocker.

Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 3:37 pm
by Mindo
Midfield of KP, Delph (available for £15m according to papers) and Milner next season. Just needs Radz to win the Euromillions

I've been out gardening in the sun all day, it may have affected my faculties

On a more serious note, we probably need to sell 1 or 2 players and I could live without Clarke. I would be more upset if Shackleton leaves- I think he's going to have a big season now and has potential to be an international. I think he'll end up with a better career than Clarke

Ideal (realistic) sales which should generate some decent cash for me would be PJ and Roofe, as I assume we wouldn't get money back on Bamford

Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 4:05 pm
by jackos
Mindo wrote:Ideal (realistic) sales which should generate some decent cash for me would be PJ and Roofe, as I assume we wouldn't get money back on Bamford


Guess it's a lot cheaper & easier to replace a championship defender that a championship forward, buying a new forward seems to be akin to buying a Euro lottery ticket. 1.5M could get you Maupay, 2M Million Pukki or 12M could get you Rob McCormack. You could pay 15M for Pukki tomorrow and see him score 5 goals next season.

At least we know what we have with Roofe, so even though I don't really rate him I think I'd prefer to keep him as a backup unless we do get 10M+ and can use it to buy someone like Maupay .....

Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 4:43 pm
by Oheddieeddie
We do realise that Roofe is a 1in2 striker getting better every season right?

Factor in that he didn't even play up front in some of the games this season.

Maupay might have had a marginally better record last year but go back a season and he's got barely just over a 1in4 for a full season.

We don't need to replace Roofe (who also works his bollocks off in marcelos system) we need to support him

Some odd views on here of people who want to sell Roofe and Pontus. My question is ... why?

Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 4:54 pm
by MightyWhite
Oheddieeddie wrote:Some odd views on here of people who want to sell Roofe and Pontus. My question is ... why?


Pragmatism, I suspect. Once you accept that we have to sell someone, it’s natural to start picking the least painful option.

Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 5:25 pm
by dirty leeds
MightyWhite wrote:
Oheddieeddie wrote:Some odd views on here of people who want to sell Roofe and Pontus. My question is ... why?


Pragmatism, I suspect. Once you accept that we have to sell someone, it’s natural to start picking the least painful option.


Yes, this. Nobody wants to sell any fucker that's any good, but it seems we have to, so we're chatting about which we could stomach. That's all.

Bamford and Clarke would probs make the least difference to the usual first 11.

Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 5:41 pm
by jackos
Oheddieeddie wrote:We do realise that Roofe is a 1in2 striker getting better every season right?


Roofe drove me nuts even before he stopped scoring, 1 in 2 perhaps, but he needs about 20 chances a game to score one every second game. Still, as I said, I'd prefer to keep for the reasons I mentioned above.

Oheddieeddie wrote:Some odd views on here of people who want to sell Roofe and Pontus. My question is ... why?


Not sure how many of us want rid of Pontus? Other than Whelan and I don't think he posts on here (unless Yebo is Whelan?).

A lot of just accept that he will leave if/when a PL club comes in for him. If that club were Norwich, Derby or Sheff Utd it would be REALLY painful, but it wouldn't surprise me if happened.

Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 5:44 pm
by Mr Reality
Although I like bamford more than most I think if the club had the opportunity to get the money back him they would take it this summer. Would probably say the same about Douglas too prefer Alioski at full back.

It's difficult to know how the squad can be reshaped given the number of loan players due to return and nobody's contract expiring.

Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 5:51 pm
by Ponte
Mr Reality wrote:Although I like bamford more than most I think if the club had the opportunity to get the money back him they would take it this summer. Would probably say the same about Douglas too prefer Alioski at full back.

It's difficult to know how the squad can be reshaped given the number of loan players due to return and nobody's contract expiring.

Yeah I’d let Douglas go and have Alioski as first choice LB, backed up by Davis or Pearce (Dallas too].

Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 6:28 pm
by welshwhite
Maybe Bielsa can work his magic on Douglas and bring him back to the player we know he can be.

Good workrate with an excellent delivery and assists record.

Maybe a little early to completely write him off just yet.

Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 6:38 pm
by rss1969
welshwhite wrote:Maybe Bielsa can work his magic on Douglas and bring him back to the player we know he can be.

Good workrate with an excellent delivery and assists record.

Maybe a little early to completely write him off just yet.


Yep, his very early season form was really promising.

A Wolves supporting mate said that we had signed the best LB in the championship when his arrival was announced and it seemed that way. Fully fit he will be an asset.

Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 6:47 pm
by Mr Reality
He's just doesn't seem to have the engine to be up and down.

Just think back the shef United game where the lad who scored gave him a head start went past him and ran away from him to score.

It's also a case of when funds are tight what can you free up.

Is Alioski Pearce and Davis sufficient?

Personally I would say yes so that makes selling Douglas easier.

Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 6:53 pm
by welshwhite
Not sure about Pearce, R. He seems to have slipped way down the pecking order.

Not really sure if Bielsa fancies Alioski as a permanent defender either.

Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 6:58 pm
by rss1969
Pearce was struggling to get into the Scunny team. Davis looks decent but we need to see more of him.

I dont think that Douglas was ever fully fit after his early season injury. That can happen to any player (even Bamford).

Unlike Bamford, Douglas has shown in this division that he can be a top player and I am hoping he is fully fit and firing for the start of the season.

Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 7:07 pm
by MightyWhite
I’d certainly keep Douglas. If he can get back to how he was at the start of the season he’s a solid starter, if he gets back to Wolves form he’s a difference maker. I’d like to see that play out.

Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 7:11 pm
by Mr Reality
Loan spells are not the only thing we have to judge Pearce on he played well at the back end of the previous season and looked more than comfortable at this level.

Look at BPF was written off after his loan spell in non league but had a decent season and given Kikos performances wouldn't be surprised to see him start next season in goal of he impresses in pre season.