Is Radrizanni's "brand" of football good enough for Leeds United?

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Re: Is Radrizanni's "brand" of football good enough for Leeds United?

Postby Quiffy » Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:35 pm

in an attempt to answer my own question about staying at ER i thought i'd listen to this...

on 15:45 radz says "my dream is ...to play one of them european nights in a new stadium with leeds united"
when asked a minute later about developing ER the response from paraag is "we cannot move on that (stadium development) for the next 2 or 3 years, we have to be permanently premier league" [about 17:25] ie they're kicking the can down the road. there is also repetition of following the leicester blueprint.
obviously this is after the initial bit about how fantastic it is to have a historic stadium.

they seem to be dropping a few clues.
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Re: Is Radrizanni's "brand" of football good enough for Leeds United?

Postby Phil LUFC » Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:35 pm

Quiffy wrote:(it may have been mentioned but)... the 49ers moved out of san francisco in 2014 to a new stadium 40km away. a quick look at wiki suggests that the old stadium was less than ideal, but 40km out of town?

are we going to go down that old road again? everyone loves shiny new things including the owners building their own vanity projects.

all this talk of extra revenue streams could end up being the justification.

40km East makes it easier for me, North or West far less so.

Can't see it to be honest, I think the location works and there's plenty of room to expand. Even if it was a complete rebuild would we maybe look at the Spurs approach? Guess not with no obvious large temporary home available.

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Re: Is Radrizanni's "brand" of football good enough for Leeds United?

Postby Bobbycollins » Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:41 pm

The USA covers approx 40 times the area of the UK, so a 40Km move in the States would equate in the UK to leaving ER in pretty much the same location. I've also enjoyed ER being on the outskirts of town, rather than stuck in amongst terraces of houses and given the transport links and car parking around ER I can't see us moving.

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Re: Is Radrizanni's "brand" of football good enough for Leeds United?

Postby the flying pig » Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:56 pm

Quiffy wrote:(it may have been mentioned but)... the 49ers moved out of san francisco in 2014 to a new stadium 40km away. a quick look at wiki suggests that the old stadium was less than ideal, but 40km out of town?

are we going to go down that old road again? everyone loves shiny new things including the owners building their own vanity projects.

all this talk of extra revenue streams could end up being the justification.


yeah, i mean, the new 49ers stadium is basically in a different city, San Jose, which was arguably big enough to have its own 'franchise'. maybe part of the reason the 49ers moved there was to stop that happening and/or to stop another vaguely 'local' such as Oakland stealing a march on them by moving there. i suppose the equivalent would be LUFC moving to wakey. i won't comment on the differences/similarities between wakey and san jose.

a 40km move in English football wouldn't make any sense unless it was from an area that was sparsely populated and/or that had too many teams to an area that was the opposite. i guess wimbledon to MK was a bit like that.

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Re: Is Radrizanni's "brand" of football good enough for Leeds United?

Postby Quiffy » Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:14 pm

yeah 40km over there equates to considerably further than over here, it's more the idea of moving from ER that i thought would be controversial. that spot that was earmarked for the new stadium 20 years ago would make sense, the one on the A1/M1 link, although i'd prefer them to stay at ER.

if they fulfil the plan to rebuild the training ground beside ER then this is all pie in the sky.
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Postby Trumper » Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:07 pm

Think the 49ers had two separate proposals to rebuild stadium at or near old ground, one linked with Olympic proposal. First one even won public approval. Both fell over and doubts to how serious they were

Doesn’t mean they’ll move Leeds out though. Not sure why even the link, different situations

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Postby jackos » Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:31 pm

What's up with Rob?

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Re: Is Radrizanni's "brand" of football good enough for Leeds United?

Postby metalsmurf » Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:32 pm

jackos wrote:What's up with Rob?


I would say given that he is named in the Tweet it's someone in his family that has passed.
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Re: Is Radrizanni's "brand" of football good enough for Leeds United?

Postby Quiffy » Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:34 pm

Trumper wrote:Think the 49ers had two separate proposals to rebuild stadium at or near old ground, one linked with Olympic proposal. First one even won public approval. Both fell over and doubts to how serious they were

Doesn’t mean they’ll move Leeds out though. Not sure why even the link, different situations

the praise for how leicester have developed as a club, which was reported last week, was one thing. then when talking about their admiration for the spurs ground comments were surprisingly focused on their income streams and there were comments about how we need better income streams to be able to compete. i'm reading between the lines but they give me the feeling that a stadium rebuild is on the cards.

another thing is the slowness of announcement of any plans to redo the west stand. that one has been mooted before, it almost seemed like a tap in once we got promoted but it's gone a bit quiet. the pandemic is a mitigating factor, but connecting the other emerging dots on top of the comments from that interview i linked above puts me in the position of 'requiring some reassurance' that our long term base is beeston.
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Re: Is Radrizanni's "brand" of football good enough for Leeds United?

Postby jackos » Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:04 pm

Quiffy wrote:the praise for how leicester have developed as a club, which was reported last week, was one thing. then when talking about their admiration for the spurs ground comments were surprisingly focused on their income streams and there were comments about how we need better income streams to be able to compete. i'm reading between the lines but they give me the feeling that a stadium rebuild is on the cards.

another thing is the slowness of announcement of any plans to redo the west stand. that one has been mooted before, it almost seemed like a tap in once we got promoted but it's gone a bit quiet. the pandemic is a mitigating factor, but connecting the other emerging dots on top of the comments from that interview i linked above puts me in the position of 'requiring some reassurance' that our long term base is beeston.


No idea how you arrived at those conclusions? Did you listen to the interview on Radio Leeds? Was very clear that they have no plans to leave ER. "Plenty of real estate around the groud to develop" etc. Added to that Radz and Kinnear made ot clear last year that we wouldn't develop the ground until "we were established in the EPL", after 2-3 seasons. I feel pretty certain we won't wait 3 years to start the process, once we are safe this season they will kick things off, but I guess we won't see any building work for a couple of years

Doesn't mean they won't rip down the East Stand eventually, but they were talking about a 20-30 year project today ..... West Stand and Kop first. Between now and the development they promised to improve the existing facilities, Im assuming that means the East and possibly South stands, especially the boxes and corporate facilities.
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Re: Is Radrizanni's "brand" of football good enough for Leeds United?

Postby Quiffy » Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:07 pm

jackos wrote:
Quiffy wrote:the praise for how leicester have developed as a club, which was reported last week, was one thing. then when talking about their admiration for the spurs ground comments were surprisingly focused on their income streams and there were comments about how we need better income streams to be able to compete. i'm reading between the lines but they give me the feeling that a stadium rebuild is on the cards.

another thing is the slowness of announcement of any plans to redo the west stand. that one has been mooted before, it almost seemed like a tap in once we got promoted but it's gone a bit quiet. the pandemic is a mitigating factor, but connecting the other emerging dots on top of the comments from that interview i linked above puts me in the position of 'requiring some reassurance' that our long term base is beeston.


No idea you arrived at those conclusions? Did you listen to the interview on Radio Leeds? Was very clear that they have no plans on leaving ER. "Plenty of real estate around the groud to develop" etc. Added to that Radz and Kinnear made ot clear last year that we wouldn't develop the ground until "we were established in the EPL", after 2-3 seasons. I feel pretty certain we won't wait 3 years to start. Once we are safe this season they will start things off.

Doesn't mean they won't rip down the East Stand eventually, but they were talking about a 20-30 year project today ..... West Stand and Kop first, between now and the project start improvements in the East and possibly South stands.

nope. didn't hear that on radio leeds. i'd rather we did stay at ER. :thumbl:
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Re: Is Radrizanni's "brand" of football good enough for Leeds United?

Postby jackos » Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:10 pm

Quiffy wrote:nope. didn't hear that on radio leeds. i'd rather we did stay at ER. :thumbl:


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Re: Is Radrizanni's "brand" of football good enough for Leeds United?

Postby eric olthwaite » Wed Jan 27, 2021 12:08 pm

metalsmurf wrote:Is it possible to move the whole ground closer to the motorway and not need to build on Elland Rd? Eric? Without closing the ground I mean.


Possible I guess, but expensive. I guess the sequence you'd go for is:

- Build a brand a new Kop behind the existing stand, without touching it.
- Demolish the existing Kop, add a couple of additional bays to the north of the East Stand.
- Shunt the pitch
- Probably demolish and replace the South Stand.
- Replace the West Stand
- Demolish the south end of the East Stand and fill the corner in.

I imagine that the club is focussing on the West Stand as a priority because it offers the biggest scope for improvement in one hit, whilst also dealing with upgrading dressing rooms and media facilities etc. My logic on building the South Stand back over Elland Road is that you could do a fair bit of the prep work before touching the existing, then end up with a whole new seating capacity before you lose the West Stand for a season.

metalsmurf wrote:The legroom in the lower tier of the east is poor, I think it was built on the original Lowfields Rd terracing plan? I'm 5ft fuck all and its still narrow.


There's obviously a bit of compromise between comfortable seating and getting big numbers close to the pitch, but I've got to say that the first time I went to the new Wembley I was blown away by the achievement of getting 90k people in, all with good views and decent seats.
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Re: Is Radrizanni's "brand" of football good enough for Leeds United?

Postby Quiffy » Wed Jan 27, 2021 1:50 pm

jackos wrote:Post match entertainment

turns out that was the same interview i linked to at the top of the page. must have missed the bit you referred to.

and maybe when radz says a 'new stadium' he just means a redeveloped ER. and maybe i'm being paranoid.
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Re: Is Radrizanni's "brand" of football good enough for Leeds United?

Postby metalsmurf » Fri Jan 29, 2021 7:55 pm

Quiffy wrote:
jackos wrote:Post match entertainment

turns out that was the same interview i linked to at the top of the page. must have missed the bit you referred to.

and maybe when radz says a 'new stadium' he just means a redeveloped ER. and maybe i'm being paranoid.

Haven't watched the clip but did listen to the bits on The Athletic podcast, he does say 'I mean a new/updated Elland Rd, to be clear on that' in response to Phil's question about improving ER.
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Re: Is Radrizanni's "brand" of football good enough for Leeds United?

Postby Eddies Boots » Fri Jan 29, 2021 9:27 pm

metalsmurf wrote:
Quiffy wrote:
jackos wrote:Post match entertainment

turns out that was the same interview i linked to at the top of the page. must have missed the bit you referred to.

and maybe when radz says a 'new stadium' he just means a redeveloped ER. and maybe i'm being paranoid.

Haven't watched the clip but did listen to the bits on The Athletic podcast, he does say 'I mean a new/updated Elland Rd, to be clear on that' in response to Phil's question about improving ER.


So a new or partially new stadium on the existing site?
Anywhere between a complete tear-down where we go off stadium-sharing to just one new stand, then?

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Postby eric olthwaite » Fri Jan 29, 2021 9:37 pm

Y’all getting way too invested in the semantics of some random choices of (second language) words in PR fluff interviews.

We’re getting into floor tile / reception desk height territory here.
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Re: Is Radrizanni's "brand" of football good enough for Leeds United?

Postby jackos » Fri Jan 29, 2021 9:48 pm

Eddies Boots wrote:So a new or partially new stadium on the existing site?
Anywhere between a complete tear-down where we go off stadium-sharing to just one new stand, then?


Have a listen to the interview. They don't go into that level of detail, but they do say that they want to preserve the grounds character. I think they are talking about a twenty to thirty year project, not something that will be completed in the next five years. Considering how much football has developed/changed in the last two decades 30 years is a loooonnng time. I've not heard anything to make me think the plan is not still to develop the West Stand, Kop & Matthew Murray. Short term, next 2-3 years, they'll make improvements to what's already there.

It will be interesting to hear what their plans for Thorp Arch are now we're in the money. Might make sense to buy it back.
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Re: Is Radrizanni's "brand" of football good enough for Leeds United?

Postby Eddies Boots » Fri Jan 29, 2021 10:37 pm

eric olthwaite wrote:Y’all getting way too invested in the semantics of some random choices of (second language) words in PR fluff interviews.

We’re getting into floor tile / reception desk height territory here.


That's my point - really no information at all.

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Re: Is Radrizanni's "brand" of football good enough for Leeds United?

Postby Quiffy » Fri Jan 29, 2021 10:53 pm

Eddies Boots wrote:
eric olthwaite wrote:Y’all getting way too invested in the semantics of some random choices of (second language) words in PR fluff interviews.

We’re getting into floor tile / reception desk height territory here.


That's my point - really no information at all.

i did try and make it clear that i was reading between the lines, joining the dots or whatever analogy. i have treated radz with the same cynicism i'd treat a politician. i didn't say i'm sure about this and i know i might be wrong. i'd like to be wrong. but give it 3 years and i'll be reassured that i'm just being paranoid, hopefully.

if not i'll dig this thread up and highlight my foresight and quote all of you who queried it :mrgreen: .
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