Is Heckingbottom's brand of football good enough for Leeds United

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Vampire
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Re: Is Heckingbottom's brand of football good enough for Leeds United

Postby Vampire » Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:36 am

Phil LUFC wrote:Thought I'd see what whoscored.com made of Barnsley this season:

Stengths:
None

Weaknesses:
Finishing scoring chances - Weak
Keeping possession of the ball - Weak
Defending counter attacks - Weak
Defending against attacks down the wings - Weak
Defending against long shots - Very Weak
Defending against skillful players - Very Weak

Barnsley's Style of Play:
Play with width
Take a lot of shots
Attacking down the right
Long balls
Attempt crosses often
Non-aggressive
Rotate their first eleven

Formation:
4141 (17)
442 (9)
433 (2)
4411 (1)
532 (1)

They say this about us:

Stengths:
Creating chances using through balls - Very Strong
Creating long shot opportunities - Strong
Finishing scoring chances - Strong
Counter attacks - Strong

Weaknesses:
Aerial duels - Weak
Avoiding individual errors - Weak

Leeds's Style of Play:
Take long shots
Attempt through balls often
Attacking down the right
Playing in their own half
Aggressive
Opponents play aggressively against them

Formation:
4231 (26)
433 (3)
442 (1)


Not sure you can read much into that, Phil. Coaches also have to adapt syle and formation to the players they have. Barnsley weren’t that far off the play offs last season apparently playing mainly 442 - but then sold a number of key players (doubt OH was happy about that) and this has doubtless affected their formation and style this season.
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Re: Is Heckingbottom's brand of football good enough for Leeds United

Postby the flying pig » Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:40 am

Vampire wrote:
Phil LUFC wrote:Thought I'd see what whoscored.com made of Barnsley this season:

Stengths:
None
...


he could fit in well here :thumbl:

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Re: Is Heckingbottom's brand of football good enough for Leeds United

Postby welshwhite » Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:38 am

Getting PH in has been a good thing for me, it now confirms to me we're going nowhere.
It saves me from getting ahead of myself with expectations of the club.

Next season we will spend on players (along with many others) and briefly flirt with a playoff place....And that's where it all ends - Our club has fully shown its ambitions for quite a while.

This is where we are , this is where we're staying. I have no problem with people believing in dreams.....Good luck with them :thumbl:

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Re: Is Heckingbottom's brand of football good enough for Leeds United

Postby Phil LUFC » Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:43 am

Vampire wrote:
Phil LUFC wrote:Thought I'd see what whoscored.com made of Barnsley this season:

Stengths:
None

Weaknesses:
Finishing scoring chances - Weak
Keeping possession of the ball - Weak
Defending counter attacks - Weak
Defending against attacks down the wings - Weak
Defending against long shots - Very Weak
Defending against skillful players - Very Weak

Barnsley's Style of Play:
Play with width
Take a lot of shots
Attacking down the right
Long balls
Attempt crosses often
Non-aggressive
Rotate their first eleven

Formation:
4141 (17)
442 (9)
433 (2)
4411 (1)
532 (1)

They say this about us:

Stengths:
Creating chances using through balls - Very Strong
Creating long shot opportunities - Strong
Finishing scoring chances - Strong
Counter attacks - Strong

Weaknesses:
Aerial duels - Weak
Avoiding individual errors - Weak

Leeds's Style of Play:
Take long shots
Attempt through balls often
Attacking down the right
Playing in their own half
Aggressive
Opponents play aggressively against them

Formation:
4231 (26)
433 (3)
442 (1)


Not sure you can read much into that, Phil. Coaches also have to adapt syle and formation to the players they have. Barnsley weren’t that far off the play offs last season apparently playing mainly 442 - but then sold a number of key players (doubt OH was happy about that) and this has doubtless affected their formation and style this season.

Mostly I agree with you. There's the odd bit which might mean something tough: for example, I've been told he likes to tinker, the above mention of rotation seems to support that. I've also been told high press/high work rate - the above doesn't support that but I assume they measure aggression based on fouls/cards.

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Re: Is Heckingbottom's brand of football good enough for Leeds United

Postby the flying pig » Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:23 am

Phil LUFC wrote:...I've also been told high press/high work rate...


sounds like he'll get on well with big pierre :thumbl:

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Re: Is Heckingbottom's brand of football good enough for Leeds United

Postby Quiffy » Wed Feb 07, 2018 3:56 pm

christiensen became 'TC', redfearn 'redders', hockaday 'the hock', so should heckingbottom be 'the heck'?

as in what the fuck?
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Re: Is Heckingbottom's brand of football good enough for Leeds United

Postby dirty leeds » Wed Feb 07, 2018 4:23 pm

Quiffy wrote:christiensen became 'TC', redfearn 'redders', hockaday 'the hock', so should heckingbottom be 'the heck'?

as in what the fuck?


It's what I've been thinking of him as. The Heck it is. No I mean, it really is The Heck.

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the flying pig
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Re: Is Heckingbottom's brand of football good enough for Leeds United

Postby the flying pig » Wed Feb 07, 2018 4:37 pm

Whasshisname, alex mcleish always got called 'Big Eck', but, still, I think Heck or The Heck works.

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Re: Is Heckingbottom's brand of football good enough for Leeds United

Postby Andymac-47 » Wed Feb 07, 2018 4:46 pm

What about "Heckle".
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Re: Is Heckingbottom's brand of football good enough for Leeds United

Postby Blackwhite » Wed Feb 07, 2018 5:30 pm

How about The Fuck?* As in, always with a question mark regardless of the context.



"Who's your manager now?"

"The Fuck?"

*I'll admit this is motivated by my inability to think of anything except Fuckingbottom...
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Re: Is Heckingbottom's brand of football good enough for Leeds United

Postby Andymac-47 » Wed Feb 07, 2018 5:47 pm

Blackwhite wrote:How about The Fuck?* As in, always with a question mark regardless of the context.



"Who's your manager now?"

"The Fuck?"

*I'll admit this is motivated by my inability to think of anything except Fuckingbottom...


I really like this.
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Re: Is Heckingbottom's brand of football good enough for Leeds United

Postby kennyb41 » Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:20 am

I'm tending to lean towards 'Feckinarse'

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Re: Is Heckingbottom's brand of football good enough for Leeds United

Postby SimonB » Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:23 am

kennyb41 wrote:I'm tending to lean towards 'Feckinarse'

:mrgreen:

The quality of debate on squareball remains of the highest order....
We had a meeting at work today and I was asked what steps I would take in the event of a fire. Apparently "fucking big ones" wasn't the right answer

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Re: Is Heckingbottom's brand of football good enough for Leeds United

Postby Tycipa » Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:41 am

kennyb41 wrote:I'm tending to lean towards 'Feckinarse'

Eckybutt

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Re: Is Heckingbottom's brand of football good enough for Leeds United

Postby Oheddieeddie » Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:56 am

Andymac-47 wrote:What about "Heckle".


That'll do for me

Phil hay today says

PH: No regrets over the timing of his exit from Barnsley, so soon after his new deal. Talks about the new deal had gone on for a long time. Barnsley earned more than they would have done otherwise. "Barnsley are the winners here." #lufc

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Re: Is Heckingbottom's brand of football good enough for Leeds United

Postby dirty leeds » Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:30 am

Oh, I think he should have an assortment of names, depending on how things go.
All of the above apply and then there's, oooh, Flippin'eck [when we just lost], Heckpoint Charlie [after he's been rattling up a succession of boring and undeserved 1-0 wins], Heckstall [when we finish seventh], Hecktagone [when he's sacked]... even Heckzelt Kangoo [when we attached him to side of a camper van as punishment].

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Re: Is Heckingbottom's brand of football good enough for Leeds United

Postby eric olthwaite » Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:22 am

Turns out senior junior will be there for the Heckster's first home game next week, with her friend.

I await her utterly incoherent match analysis with interest.

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Re: Is Heckingbottom's brand of football good enough for Leeds United

Postby welshwhite » Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:22 am

He reminds me a little of a young Brian Clough, there are one or two comparisons that I can't be arsed to list.

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Re: Is Heckingbottom's brand of football good enough for Leeds United

Postby Tycipa » Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:32 am

dirty leeds wrote:Oh, I think he should have an assorted of names, depending on how things go.
All of the above apply and then there's, oooh, Flippin'eck [when we just lost], Heckpoint Charlie [after he's been rattling up a succession of boring and undeserved 1-0 wins], Heckstall [when we finish seventh], Hecktagone [when he's sacked]... even Heckzelt Kangoo [when we attached him to side of a camper van as punishment].

Did you get those from Heckipedia?

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Re: Is Heckingbottom's brand of football good enough for Leeds United

Postby Phil LUFC » Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:32 am

I'm getting a bit of a Yorkshire's answer to Dennis Wise vibe.


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