eric olthwaite wrote:
Devi wrote:Article 7 of the EU Treaty: "Suspension of any state that uses force against its own population"...
Yeah, seen a deal of huffin' and fuffin' on Twatter about this one - particularly from Leavers arguing that it just shows how corrupt and anti-democratic the EU is.
Clearly the 'trigger level' is ill-defined. I mean, would you not argue that police actions during Orgreave or maybe the Poll Tax riots fall under the same kind of use-of-force heading? Dunno.
For all the material stupidity of the Guardia Civil actions, they would argue that they were defending the State against insurrection. Meh, really.
The Guardia Civil were there to do a job, sent there by Rajoy's unbelievably stupid administration. They were put in an impossible position. They were obliged to carry out orders that could only inflame the situation.
The referendum was illegal, and would have been utterly pointless had it just been allowed to proceed. It didn't have even the minimum kind of guarantees that anyone would require for it to have had any meaning other than purely symbolic.
The census was years out of date, there was no way of independently verifying the votes or of counting them, the polling booths were under the control of the separatistas, the courts had declared it illegal .... The list is pretty long.
But Rajoy & co went for the most stupid reaction possible.
Send in the GC!
What The Fuck?
At this point it stops being symbolic, there is not much symbolic about rubber bullets and nightsticks.
From being the undoubted loser of the situation on Saturday, the separatists have won the day.
Before yesterday's farce there was about 40% in favour of independence, tops, the leading separatists are a ragbag mix of far left nutters, far right nutters and the most corrupt political class in Europe appealing to a romanticised Braveheart scenario that were hard to take seriously. Today they are claiming the moral high ground.
That number of 40% will inevitably have risen.
Nice one Mariano.
Before yesterday the accusation that the Spanish state was a continuation of Francoism was ridiculous.
Today it doesn't look so absurd.
The polarisation is complete. There is no talk of dialogue or trying to reach some kind of reform to the Constitution that would avoid more confrontation.
Both sides claiming victory, nobody listening to anyone else.
I have friends on both sides of the fence and they won't listen to anything that isn't reflecting their echo-chamber.
A while back I mentioned that the defining event of Spanish history was the civil war, and that the difference between a civil war and other wars is that civil wars are divisive, other wars tend to unite countries, and that the civil war is still playing out ...
Move over Mystic Meg
Mirrors and copulation are abominable, since they both multiply the numbers of men.