The state of UK politics

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Re: The state of UK politics

Postby Mustafaster » Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:29 pm

Mirrors and copulation are abominable, since they both multiply the numbers of men.

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Re: The state of UK politics

Postby jackos » Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:38 pm



We should could agree a swap deal, send all the ex-pat scroungers, tax dodgers, and criminals back over the channel/North Sea. I know a couple of Brits in Stockholm who haven't done a legal days work in over a decade in Sweden, and who still can't read a menu never mind order a beer in Swedish. They whine about Sweden, Swedes, their partners, and dream of a return to the UK of their youth that never actually existed .
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Re: The state of UK politics

Postby Blackwhite » Thu Jan 28, 2021 12:31 pm

Hilarious response to that petition asking govt to make it a criminal offense for an MP to mislead the public: about 1000 words which, to summarise, says "No, there are adequate protections in place", with which I feel sure we can all agree :mrgreen:
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Re: The state of UK politics

Postby eric olthwaite » Mon Feb 01, 2021 7:25 pm

I quit the LP sometime last month, then a few days later I saw a thread on Twitter where a couple of people I follow had also quit. I don’t really have any confidence that the left and right of the party, who are both absolutely necessary, will ever be reconciled and capable of forming an effective political force.

The leaving process is characteristically beige: cancel your direct debit and email the CLP secretary. In the meantime (and I’m told this usually goes on for about six months) they still send you all the emails with an extra occasional polite query asking whether i cancelled the direct debit by mistake. Ho hum.

This morning I got a thinly-concealed-ragin’ email from the CLP about a Holocaust online discussion event they’d organised and then Party HQ had ordered them to cancel, because the guidance they’re planning to issue on how to conduct such an event wouldn’t be published until June. The branch had invited a couple of decent author / speakers and I don’t think for one millisecond it could have descended into some sort of AS hellhole.

Then Captain Beige himself was on a Party Political Broadcast and me and the wife couldn’t work out what the point of it / him was at all.

It’s a utter fucking shitshow. Remarkably, the party seems to have become less effective since Corbyn stood down. What a time to be alive.
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Re: The state of UK politics

Postby Blackwhite » Mon Feb 01, 2021 8:04 pm

It IS less effective. I know under Corbyn it could be parochial and amateurish. But it was better than this.


Didn't bother writing to my CLP, just cut the dd and replied to the contact. Documented the last gap in my subs and challenged them to beat it :mrgreen:
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Re: The state of UK politics

Postby Eddies Boots » Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:23 am

Blackwhite wrote:It IS less effective. I know under Corbyn it could be parochial and amateurish. But it was better than this.


Didn't bother writing to my CLP, just cut the dd and replied to the contact. Documented the last gap in my subs and challenged them to beat it :mrgreen:


Didn't Corbyn leave with the Tories having a huge majority - instead of needing a minority alliance?
How could they be as effective?
We have seen Starmer schooling Bojo in parliament. What more can he do? Folk keep saying that no one wants to hear that Brexit was a fiasco, and if the vaccination plans work out, then COVID fuck-ups will be forgotten too.

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Re: The state of UK politics

Postby Bielsa1919 » Tue Feb 02, 2021 6:59 am

Eddies Boots wrote:
Blackwhite wrote:It IS less effective. I know under Corbyn it could be parochial and amateurish. But it was better than this.


Didn't bother writing to my CLP, just cut the dd and replied to the contact. Documented the last gap in my subs and challenged them to beat it :mrgreen:


Didn't Corbyn leave with the Tories having a huge majority - instead of needing a minority alliance?
How could they be as effective?
We have seen Starmer schooling Bojo in parliament. What more can he do? Folk keep saying that no one wants to hear that Brexit was a fiasco, and if the vaccination plans work out, then COVID fuck-ups will be forgotten too.

There's nothing he can do to change how the country is being run other than question Johnson about it in Parliament, and hope the prick has a conscience. However some people seem to be under the misapprehension that he's PM and responsible for everything. They fall for the gaslighting by the Tories every single time and are reacting exactly as Johnson and his cronies want them to. It's just so depressing.

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Re: The state of UK politics

Postby Blackwhite » Wed Feb 03, 2021 7:36 am

You know, I'm sick of following my dreams, man. I'm just going to ask where they're going and hook up with 'em later.

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Re: The state of UK politics

Postby eric olthwaite » Wed Feb 03, 2021 7:39 am

Blackwhite wrote:I had to check this wasn't satire.


Who needs policies.


I am absolutely convinced that what Labour needs most of all right now is flag shagging.
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Re: The state of UK politics

Postby jackos » Wed Feb 03, 2021 7:55 am

eric olthwaite wrote:
Blackwhite wrote:I had to check this wasn't satire.


Who needs policies.


I am absolutely convinced that what Labour needs most of all right now is flag shagging.


Nothing wrong with attempting to win back the Union Jack and St George Cross flag from the right, they don't have a monopoly on patriotism and being proud of their heritage. I'm proud of being from Leeds, Yorkshire, England and Europe, people should feel free to show their pride without anyone thinking they support darker causes. Sweden has a flag day, I think a lot of other countries do. As a few years ago June 6th is our National Day which replaced Pentecost as a bank holiday in our calendar, one of the big items on the calendar in Stockholm is the Citizenship ceremony when people who have received their citizenship during the year are invited to the City Hall for a celebration. It's fantastic when done properly and has definitely helped win back the Swedish Flag from the far right.

Good luck to Starmer.
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Re: The state of UK politics

Postby Blackwhite » Wed Feb 03, 2021 8:10 am

I agree J, I look forward to him differentiating what the flag means to us as decent Brits, and aligning it with imaginative, transformative policies that give us hope and pride and set us back on a path to lifting all boats.


I have a long wait on my hands I suspect. Make you a charity bet, call it twenty quid.
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Re: The state of UK politics

Postby Devi » Wed Feb 03, 2021 8:11 am

I’m a tad torn.
While I recognise the intent to win back power, that policies can be put in place, I’m also with you, BW: it’d be nice(r?) to see those policies be the thing that win back that power, more than the appropriate or otherwise wearing of a given suit.
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Re: The state of UK politics

Postby eric olthwaite » Wed Feb 03, 2021 8:38 am

jackos wrote:Nothing wrong with attempting to win back the Union Jack and St George Cross flag from the right, they don't have a monopoly on patriotism and being proud of their heritage. I'm proud of being from Leeds, Yorkshire, England and Europe, people should feel free to show their pride without anyone thinking they support darker causes. Sweden has a flag day, I think a lot of other countries do. As a few years ago June 6th is our National Day which replaced Pentecost as a bank holiday in our calendar, one of the big items on the calendar in Stockholm is the Citizenship ceremony when people who have received their citizenship during the year are invited to the City Hall for a celebration. It's fantastic when done properly and has definitely helped win back the Swedish Flag from the far right.

Good luck to Starmer.


You might be proud of where you come from - fine, whatever, I'm not - but right here, right now, having a George Flag on a little pole in your garden walks hand in hand with wanting the Muslamics to fuck off and supporting Priti Patel leaving refugees to rot behind bars in Napier Barracks. The way to a better country is through better policies and treating people better, not by saying you agree with flag-licking bastards. Miliband tried the bullshit triangulation 'get the fascists on your side' routine in 2015 and it failed. Starmer will fail.
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Re: The state of UK politics

Postby jackos » Wed Feb 03, 2021 2:32 pm

eric olthwaite wrote:You might be proud of where you come from - fine, whatever, I'm not - but right here, right now, having a George Flag on a little pole in your garden walks hand in hand with wanting the Muslamics to fuck off and supporting Priti Patel leaving refugees to rot behind bars in Napier Barracks. The way to a better country is through better policies and treating people better, not by saying you agree with flag-licking bastards. Miliband tried the bullshit triangulation 'get the fascists on your side' routine in 2015 and it failed. Starmer will fail.


I think you may have misunderstood the party leaderships intention, I prefer to change try change peoples opinions by engaging with them not name calling. If Johnson's election taught us anything it should be that if Labour continues to ignore the concerns of millions of traditional labour voters in the North and Scotland, and only listens to the southern middle class, then it may never win a GE again.
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Re: The state of UK politics

Postby eric olthwaite » Wed Feb 03, 2021 2:41 pm

I think the 'traditional Labour voters in the North' want jobs, homes, schools and a welfare system that allows them to exist, not platitudes about patriotism, but we'll see.

As for Scotland, wave a union flag there and get an SNP vote. Labour have a thousand miles to travel first.
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Re: The state of UK politics

Postby Blackwhite » Wed Feb 03, 2021 2:51 pm

What centrally bothers me about this is the idea (not saying it's untrue) that Labour lost the red wall seats because of immigration concerns, and so this is a reason for performative flag fucking. Either the flag is to denote nationalistic xenophobia, or it ain't.


Either the red wall was not about immigration, in which case why fuck a flag instead of make policies that address the real issues, or it was, in which case Labour might as well call itself the National Socialist Party and really go for it.


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Re: The state of UK politics

Postby Blackwhite » Thu Feb 04, 2021 2:53 pm

You know, I'm sick of following my dreams, man. I'm just going to ask where they're going and hook up with 'em later.

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Re: The state of UK politics

Postby jackos » Thu Feb 04, 2021 5:34 pm

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Re: The state of UK politics

Postby the flying pig » Fri Feb 05, 2021 8:37 am

reasons for optimism.


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Re: The state of UK politics

Postby Matt White » Fri Feb 05, 2021 12:18 pm

Is it even worth mentioning how shit it is that the hotel quarantine plan is nearly a year late and not happening right now but coming in 2 weeks' time?


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