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Re: The state of UK politics

Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:40 am
by welshwhite


No surprise to me that the one stiring the shit was the Rhondda MP Chris Bryant.
He's the one that made the amendment to start it all.
He and his husband live nearby.

Boris Johnson has suffered his first parliamentary defeat since the general election after 46 Conservative MPs, including his predecessor Theresa May, joined the opposition to vote against plans that would have allowed MPs to vote on and discuss allegations of harassment and workplace misbehaviour made against them in the House of Commons. Thanks to an amendment by Labour’s Chris Bryant, the complaints will instead be tackled via a genuinely independent process. Most embarrassingly for the government.


Re: The state of UK politics

Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:31 am
by Blackwhite
They did ok out of the Russians, TBF.


One day you might even read about it :pig:

Re: The state of UK politics

Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:33 pm
by welshwhite
Blackwhite wrote:They did ok out of the Russians, TBF.


One day you might even read about it :pig:


I only ever skim read all political posts, never been interested in the slightest, that's probably the reason I have no worry lines and a full head of hair. I've been told I still look like a teenager.

On re-reading my post it could look like a very un-PC post for this day and age. I should have worded it differently but I was dashing to pick up an order from Argos.
If anyone sees anything un-PC in it I apologise.

Re: The state of UK politics

Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:30 pm
by Blackwhite
welshwhite wrote:
Blackwhite wrote:They did ok out of the Russians, TBF.


One day you might even read about it :pig:


I only ever skim read all political posts, never been interested in the slightest, that's probably the reason I have no worry lines and a full head of hair. I've been told I still look like a teenager.

On re-readin my post it could look like a very un-PC post for this day and age. I should have worded it differently but I was dashing to pick up an order from Argos.
If anyone sees anything un-PC in it I apologise.

Apologies mate, I shoulda quoted Eric, was replying to him. Wasn't replying to you at all :D Can see why you thought that, though.

Re: The state of UK politics

Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:31 pm
by the flying pig
not sure about RLB's sacking.

she [or maybe even a minion?] retweeted an indy interview of one of her constituents, a small part of this interview being said constituent claiming that the george floyd killing took place using techniques learned from israeli "secret services".

the indy had taken the trouble to fact check this & printed, as part of the original article, a counter-claim by an israeli source that they didn't use such techniques. neither claim nor counter-claim was given particular prominence or favour over the other.

there's being robust against AS and then there's whatever this is.

Re: The state of UK politics

Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:34 pm
by Blackwhite
The weird thing was that when de Menezes got double-tapped on the tube and her statement would've been absolutely bang on the money, she didn't say it. But now it's bollocks, she does. Go figure.

Re: The state of UK politics

Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:50 pm
by eric olthwaite
the flying pig wrote:not sure about RLB's sacking.

she [or maybe even a minion?] retweeted an indy interview of one of her constituents, a small part of this interview being said constituent claiming that the george floyd killing took place using techniques learned from israeli "secret services".

the indy had taken the trouble to fact check this & printed, as part of the original article, a counter-claim by an israeli source that they didn't use such techniques. neither claim nor counter-claim was given particular prominence or favour over the other.

there's being robust against AS and then there's whatever this is.


No, it’s not good. There’s an Amnesty article doing the rounds which talks about the Israeli police travelling the world to train cops, so it’s hardly a conspiracy theory. It feels a bit like an internal culture war.

Re: The state of UK politics

Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:09 pm
by the flying pig
eric olthwaite wrote:
the flying pig wrote:not sure about RLB's sacking.

she [or maybe even a minion?] retweeted an indy interview of one of her constituents, a small part of this interview being said constituent claiming that the george floyd killing took place using techniques learned from israeli "secret services".

the indy had taken the trouble to fact check this & printed, as part of the original article, a counter-claim by an israeli source that they didn't use such techniques. neither claim nor counter-claim was given particular prominence or favour over the other.

there's being robust against AS and then there's whatever this is.


No, it’s not good. There’s an Amnesty article doing the rounds which talks about the Israeli police travelling the world to train cops, so it’s hardly a conspiracy theory. It feels a bit like an internal culture war.


i don't think it's disputed that training happens, the dispute centres on whether that particular technique is taught.

so she's *retweeted* an article written by a newspaper which has *added its own balanced counter* to *a possibly incorrect claim made by another person about which techniques Israeli forces teach when they train international police forces*. it's a fairly long way from, say, RLM having herself authored a sequel to 'mein kampf'.

Re: The state of UK politics

Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:21 pm
by eric olthwaite
The fact that there’s videos of Palestinians being choked in a similar fashion to George Floyd, and that Palestinians have recorded the time of the change in Israeli tactics a while back, all just a massive coincidence I’m sure.

Re: The state of UK politics

Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:25 pm
by the flying pig
eric olthwaite wrote:The fact that there’s videos of Palestinians being choked in a similar fashion to George Floyd, and that Palestinians have recorded the time of the change in Israeli tactics a while back, all just a massive coincidence I’m sure.


i've absolutely no idea whether that's true or whether the interviewee's claim about training is true or not, it might or might not be, but the key point is that retweeting an article wihch presents it as one of two competing theories just isn't, y'know,...

Re: The state of UK politics

Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:48 pm
by Blackwhite
Here's a stick, please beat me with it, comes to mind.

First excuse to get her out.

Re: The state of UK politics

Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:50 pm
by Poshwhite
the flying pig wrote:i've absolutely no idea whether that's true or whether the interviewee's claim about training is true or not, it might or might not be, but the key point is that retweeting an article wihch presents it as one of two competing theories just isn't, y'know,...


But doesn't the phrase, "... is an absolute diamond" suggest support for the person putting forward the contested view (and potentially the contested view)?

NB Not had time to read the actual article yet because work, but have seen the furore developing around the comments because working from home...

Re: The state of UK politics

Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:59 pm
by FredFlintstone
To put it in forum terms, it was a hospital ball from RLB. Do nothing and the Tories can claim "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss". Sack her and the Momentum types can howl about Red Tories running the party.

FWIW I back Starmer. Swift and decisive. He's been back by various Jewish groups already. It also shows up the Tories who have, and continue to, defend Cummings and Jenrick.

Re: The state of UK politics

Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:16 pm
by eric olthwaite
Poshwhite wrote:
the flying pig wrote:i've absolutely no idea whether that's true or whether the interviewee's claim about training is true or not, it might or might not be, but the key point is that retweeting an article wihch presents it as one of two competing theories just isn't, y'know,...


But doesn't the phrase, "... is an absolute diamond" suggest support for the person putting forward the contested view (and potentially the contested view)?

NB Not had time to read the actual article yet because work, but have seen the furore developing around the comments because working from home...


I guess the issue is that Twitter doesn’t do nuance. If MP had made a single explicit statement and RLB had rt’d it and said ‘she’s a diamond’, then it’s a fair cop. But if MP says a couple of dozen things in one interview, is RLB endorsing all of them 100%? It’s a tricky call.

Re: The state of UK politics

Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:30 pm
by Quiffy
FredFlintstone wrote:To put it in forum terms, it was a hospital ball from RLB. Do nothing and the Tories can claim "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss". Sack her and the Momentum types can howl about Red Tories running the party.

FWIW I back Starmer. Swift and decisive. He's been back by various Jewish groups already. It also shows up the Tories who have, and continue to, defend Cummings and Jenrick.

agree. he's drawing a line in the sand between him and corbyn. the radio has reported it as she's been 'sacked', quite a curt, stark description but it makes him look decisive and in control. there's no doubt she's taken the fall for him and i bet she's been made aware of this behind the scenes. she'll be back.

(this opinion is based on fuck all apart from my opinion of the game of politics)

Re: The state of UK politics

Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 6:23 pm
by Blackwhite
Quiffy, charity bet? Ten quid to your charity if she's back on the front bench in a year. Two years, cos I like you.

Re: The state of UK politics

Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 6:40 pm
by Bielsa1919


Cunts gonna cunt.

Re: The state of UK politics

Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:05 pm
by Quiffy
Blackwhite wrote:Quiffy, charity bet? Ten quid to your charity if she's back on the front bench in a year. Two years, cos I like you.

Yeah. I'm on for that. :thumbl:

Re: The state of UK politics

Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:17 pm
by Blackwhite
Quiffy wrote:
Blackwhite wrote:Quiffy, charity bet? Ten quid to your charity if she's back on the front bench in a year. Two years, cos I like you.

Yeah. I'm on for that. :thumbl:

And vice versa, of course. No free lunches here.

I'm sure you can afford it with all the money those dumb Americans are giving you for pizza and pedophiles.
Bookmarked, hope I discover it in a couple years :lol:

Re: The state of UK politics

Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:36 pm
by Quiffy
Blackwhite wrote:
Quiffy wrote:
Blackwhite wrote:Quiffy, charity bet? Ten quid to your charity if she's back on the front bench in a year. Two years, cos I like you.

Yeah. I'm on for that. :thumbl:

And vice versa, of course. No free lunches here.

I'm sure you can afford it with all the money those dumb Americans are giving you for pizza and pedophiles.
Bookmarked, hope I discover it in a couple years :lol:

not really got a clue what you mean - pizzas and pedophiles? it's alliterative, I'll give you that.

i'm seeing keir playing the teacher who's new to a notorious class. you go in, act the cunt for a bit, life's easier for a lot longer than a bit.

he's also setting a clear distinction between how the tories dealt with dominic cummings, never apologise and brush it under the carpet and his perceived leadership style. it's a smart move in all but the actual seeming injustice, but that's just detail and people can't be arsed with detail nowadays.

RLB is a high profile face of modern labour, i doubt he's going to want to seriously alienate her. if i wasn't a yorkshireman i'd even accept longer odds than evens.