eric olthwaite wrote:Bits selectively highlighted here jackos to illustrate my problem with what you're saying:
- WTF is a 'real discussion about politics'? What defines it as real?
- The anti-intellectual thing is seriously problematic. It's no different to Gove's 'don't trust the experts'. Somehow, as a nation (and I think through our MSM and shit on Facebook, particularly) we've reached a point where listening to 'real people' - which in your terms is always the traditional working class - is the same as listening to people who have spent years studying something and thinking about it.
- I've never heard Hirsch belittling anyone - she just says 'here are the problems and here's how we got here'.
What's your solution - just basing politics on people's history and beliefs rather than attempting progress? How do we ever move forward? I appreciate that it's a vast, difficult minefield but if you can't say to the 'traditional working class', 'sorry, I think you're wrong' then we're utterly fucked. No matter what Brexiteers think, there won't ever be a future when things like manufacturing return to the North on a significant scale.
Ultimately, strong beliefs will never be a substitute for reality.
Reality is that Labour lost Scotland because they refused to listen to Scottish voters and took them for granted, without the Scottish seats Labour will.always struggle to win a GE. Last year they lost the North. Unless they can win back those traditional Labour strongholds we will never beat the Tories. Same in Sweden. Traditional social democrat voters are now voting for the populists.
The reality is 5 years of Tory rule.
We have to start discussing the questions people care about. We can all get on board with BLM, at least most sensible folks understand that we need to have an open and honest discussion about rasism. But we also have to listen to people who are scared by the changes they see in society. People also need hope, hope that they can improve their own lives, and hope that they can give their kids and grandkids a decent future. Hope they will be able to find work, and buy some of the extras they see advertised on TV each night. People who are content, who can feed their families and enjoy a few luxuries are much less likely to point their fingers at others.
Its a fact that some cities/parts of cities in Sweden do not feel like "Sweden" any more. Södertälje just south of Stockholm has a population of 97000, 55% of those 97000 have an immigrant background, most of those families arrived in the last 20 years from the middle east as refugees following wars started by the US and its allies. We can call Swedish people who are scared or upset by those demographic changes racists, stupid, or we can listen to their concerns and try to do something about them.