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Re: O/T: Fuck Cancer

Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 4:04 pm
by Blackwhite
Did her folks tend to live longer than your folks, Eric?

If so, some of yours​ probably would've gone that way if they'd lived longer (cancer being a disorder of old DNA, essentially).... Dunno.

Re: O/T: Fuck Cancer

Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 4:06 pm
by eric olthwaite
Blackwhite wrote:Did her folks tend to live longer than your folks, Eric?

If so, some of yours​ probably would've gone that way if they'd lived longer (cancer being a disorder of old DNA, essentially).... Dunno.


Yeah, probably, so I guess that's a factor.

Yay! I'll be dead before I get cancer!

Re: O/T: Fuck Cancer

Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 4:19 pm
by Billy Casper
I have depression and alcoholism and strangely longevity in my family. Most situations have killed us males off before we are in any other medical condition, but then the women go on to a ripe old age. I dunno how it works

Re: O/T: Fuck Cancer

Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 7:39 pm
by Blackwhite
eric olthwaite wrote:
Blackwhite wrote:Did her folks tend to live longer than your folks, Eric?

If so, some of yours​ probably would've gone that way if they'd lived longer (cancer being a disorder of old DNA, essentially).... Dunno.


Yeah, probably, so I guess that's a factor.

Yay! I'll be dead before I get cancer!

As Danny/Kummel would say, that's the spirit!

Re: O/T: Fuck Cancer

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 12:22 pm
by SimonB
Billy Casper wrote:I have depression and alcoholism and strangely longevity in my family. Most situations have killed us males off before we are in any other medical condition, but then the women go on to a ripe old age. I dunno how it works


All issues that can be caused by those women mate :mrgreen: maybe you should consider being single.....

Re: O/T: Fuck Cancer

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 1:32 pm
by Billy Casper
All issues that can be caused by those women mate :mrgreen: maybe you should consider being single.....[/quote]

I think I am now. Last night I got a kicking on the way home from the pub. She thinks I got hit by a jealous husband. You couldn't make it up!

She's pissed with me because I'm off to an old mates wedding in St Ives. I wanted her to come but she won't because of her kids who are all going away this weekend anyway.

I've even given up Weller tickets tonight, but somehow everything I do is wrong! C'est la fucking vie

Re: O/T: Fuck Cancer

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 1:53 pm
by Man Called Sun
Billy Casper wrote:I've even given up Weller tickets tonight, but somehow everything I do is wrong! C'est la fucking vie

Woah there tiger, no dolly bird's worth that.
She sounded reasonable until this point.

Re: O/T: Fuck Cancer

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 3:27 pm
by dirty leeds
Billy Casper wrote:Last night I got a kicking on the way home from the pub.


Err... do tell. If you're well enough, like.

Re: O/T: Fuck Cancer

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 3:39 pm
by the flying pig
you should add your tale to the now sadly tumbleweed-strewn 'share your twattings' thread if its any good.

Re: O/T: Fuck Cancer

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:37 am
by LSD&2Es
Any thoughts on here on the use of CBD oil or other Cannabinoidols (?) for cancer treatment?

Looking at this as a possible option for my Mum for pain relief from upcoming strong chemo sessions. not sure how to broach it with her really, but as she was an ITU Nurse for 40+ years, i'm thinking empirical evidence or at least reliable studies might be the best option.

Re: O/T: Fuck Cancer

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:19 pm
by Blackwhite
Briefly: use, yes. As treatment, no.

Usually as an adjunct to chemo to quell nausea and stimulate appetite. Not aware of any evidence for any anti cancer effect, anyone who tells you there is is lying.

Can elaborate more tonight, busy

Edit while I wait for this step:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/2 ... f%20cancer

Some light reading...

Sci-hub.cc if you can't get the pdf

Re: O/T: Fuck Cancer

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 5:59 pm
by Blackwhite
Hey fella,
As ever the NCI have a great page, here. Thank the Septics - Where it's much easier to arrange, but still very hard to get Federal funds to study :shrug:

If you want anything pulling from the paywall, or contextualising, holler.

Re: O/T: Fuck Cancer

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:31 am
by SimonB
Billy Casper wrote:I think I am now. Last night I got a kicking on the way home from the pub. She thinks I got hit by a jealous husband. You couldn't make it up!

She's pissed with me because I'm off to an old mates wedding in St Ives. I wanted her to come but she won't because of her kids who are all going away this weekend anyway.

I've even given up Weller tickets tonight, but somehow everything I do is wrong! C'est la fucking vie


You have only just realised that everything you do is going to be wrong :mrgreen:

I would say you need to roll with the punches......

Re: O/T: Fuck Cancer

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:38 pm
by LSD&2Es
Blackwhite wrote:Hey fella,
As ever the NCI have a great page, here. Thank the Septics - Where it's much easier to arrange, but still very hard to get Federal funds to study :shrug:

If you want anything pulling from the paywall, or contextualising, holler.


Thanks mate, I'll pick through those and bring it up with her

Re: O/T: Fuck Cancer

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:12 pm
by Blackwhite
No probs.

The CBD thing is interesting, there are those who swear by it as an aid to a healthy/restful life (looking at you, Krust, shilling the stuff in my Twitter feed). No idea if there's any solid trial data - as you will see from the NCI page, the work just doesn't get done until someone really pushes for it - which is why Sativex had taken so long.

The non-psychoactive compounds might be easier to persuade her to try, but if my understanding is correct there's no non-psychoactive preparation that has the right mix of effects in the areas you're rightly thinking of.


Besides, if she opts for non-psychoactive she's missing a trick anyway :mrgreen:

Re: O/T: Fuck Cancer

Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:45 pm
by eric olthwaite

Re: O/T: Fuck Cancer

Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:42 pm
by Blackwhite
Yeah. We have some stuff ongoing with some of them. I was wondering if we'd ever see the samples we want, and now I'm guessing not...

Re: O/T: Fuck Cancer

Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:49 pm
by Billy Casper
Blackwhite wrote:Yeah. We have some stuff ongoing with some of them. I was wondering if we'd ever see the samples we want, and now I'm guessing not...


How can you tell that all from a keyboard and with no friends, just colleagues and a wife, you keyboard warrior, you!!!

Re: O/T: Fuck Cancer

Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:18 pm
by Blackwhite
Billy Casper wrote:
Blackwhite wrote:Yeah. We have some stuff ongoing with some of them. I was wondering if we'd ever see the samples we want, and now I'm guessing not...


How can you tell that all from a keyboard and with no friends, just colleagues and a wife, you keyboard warrior, you!!!

:mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Re: O/T: Fuck Cancer

Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 1:19 pm
by Blackwhite
This might seem like small news, but some more solid data for the immunotherapy checkpoint inhibitors has significance for two reasons: the FDA are approving this stuff on sight because of how well it can work, and pretty much for the first time a drug is being given based on shared defects across multiple tumours, rather than different drugs for particular kinds of tumour.

Eighteen out of 86 advanced cancer patients had their tumour disappear. Excellent stuff.

Edit: I hate this write up, but it might help explain it.