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Re: Dirty Music

Postby eric olthwaite » Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:30 am

Tommy wrote:Well no, it exists to make money. Virtually everything at that level is stage-managed and produced to the Nth degree. Isn't she the one that was country before they retooled her? They usually try a few genres before one sticks.


This is utter bullshit really. She’s the highest earning star on the planet, no? So she’s hardly trying to find ‘one that sticks’. She can afford to do whatever she wants so I suspect she’s trying to ‘find herself’, for better or worse. It’s got nothing to do with being told what to do.

Your statement is Illuminati level gibberish. You can’t arrive at it unless you believe that there’s a ‘they’ who just want more money.
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Re: Dirty Music

Postby dirty leeds » Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:35 am

Tommy wrote:Well no, it exists to make money. Virtually everything at that level is stage-managed and produced to the Nth degree. Isn't she the one that was country before they retooled her? They usually try a few genres before one sticks.



Well, you did say you're barely aware of Taylor Swift in the first post, so I guess it's no surprise that you keep spouting shite.

I don't like Taylor Swift's music at all but she is probably the richest female musician in the world. She doesn't have to make another record and she will remain obscenely wealthy. She can do whatever the fuck she wants and her army of supporters will lap it up.
The reason she made the album this way is almost certainly down to the fact that she was a bit bored during lockdown, had written a few songs to pass the time, felt like recording them and could only do it in a particular way due to Covid restrictions. And then she put it out.
She wasn't ever really country, just country-influenced, when she was a teenager. She's been pop for years. She doesn't have to try anything to see what sticks - she outsells every fucker anyway.

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Re: Dirty Music

Postby Devi » Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:38 am

I don’t like her usual stuff either.

But her show at Hyde Park remains comfortably the best gig in which I’ve had a production hand.

(And might I suggest listening to the album before dismissing it? #justathought)
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Re: Dirty Music

Postby Tommy » Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:45 am

eric olthwaite wrote:It’s got nothing to do with being told what to do.

At this point, no. She can do what she wants and fair play to her. It's nice to have work and I can't begrudge anyone a living - particularly if you're doing something that also satisfies a creative itch.

eric olthwaite wrote:You can’t arrive at it unless you believe that there’s a ‘they’ who just want more money.

Major record labels exist to make money don't they? Nothing wrong with that per se, it's an art in itself.

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Re: Dirty Music

Postby Mustafaster » Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:50 am

Listened to 5 songs.
Very generic, usual cliches all there, a couple of nice melodies.
Not something I would want to listen to more than once.
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Re: Dirty Music

Postby Tommy » Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:53 am

dirty leeds wrote:She doesn't have to try anything to see what sticks - she outsells every fucker anyway.

I feel like this somewhat plays down the enormous number of other people who have done really good work getting her to this point though (presumably people of every demographic).

With pop stars of a certain size it takes a village. I'm sure there's something to her but still, there's a lot of machinery behind it.

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Re: Dirty Music

Postby Vampire » Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:54 am

dirty leeds wrote:
Tommy wrote:I only very vaguely know who Taylor Swift is but I gather it's one of those 'intimate, stripped down' affairs that exist basically to snare the few remaining folk still making their crust writing about music - so mainly newspaper scribes who historically delight in reviews of the 'actually this famous pop star's music is good' variety.


That's not why it exists at all, Tommy. That was just fucking rubbish.


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Re: Dirty Music

Postby Vampire » Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:57 am

dirty leeds wrote:
Tommy wrote:Well no, it exists to make money. Virtually everything at that level is stage-managed and produced to the Nth degree. Isn't she the one that was country before they retooled her? They usually try a few genres before one sticks.



Well, you did say you're barely aware of Taylor Swift in the first post, so I guess it's no surprise that you keep spouting shite.

I don't like Taylor Swift's music at all but she is probably the richest female musician in the world. She doesn't have to make another record and she will remain obscenely wealthy. She can do whatever the fuck she wants and her army of supporters will lap it up.
The reason she made the album this way is almost certainly down to the fact that she was a bit bored during lockdown, had written a few songs to pass the time, felt like recording them and could only do it in a particular way due to Covid restrictions. And then she put it out.
She wasn't ever really country, just country-influenced, when she was a teenager. She's been pop for years. She doesn't have to try anything to see what sticks - she outsells every fucker anyway.


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Re: Dirty Music

Postby Tommy » Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:57 am

Devi wrote:(And might I suggest listening to the album before dismissing it? #justathought)

I feel like that's a relatively poor use of one's time given that it clearly isn't for me.

No doubt it's great for the people who are into that sort of thing.

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Re: Dirty Music

Postby Devi » Sat Jul 25, 2020 12:26 pm

On the basis it’s definitively not her usual dross, how do you know it’s ‘not for you’?

I’m not saying it will be - you might hate it after 4 bars. Indeed, there might be evidence of Russian tampering. But if you won’t look, you can’t know.
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Re: Dirty Music

Postby dirty leeds » Sat Jul 25, 2020 12:30 pm

eric olthwaite wrote:It would appear that Wiley has gone full ‘last nail in career coffin’ on Twitter.



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Re: Dirty Music

Postby Tommy » Sat Jul 25, 2020 12:49 pm

Devi wrote:On the basis it’s definitively not her usual dross, how do you know it’s ‘not for you’?

I'd have to know her usual dross to have any frame of reference and that sounds like a lot of work to me.

If someone wants to crowdfund me to do it I will consider it but not going to do it for the sheer fuck of it.

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Re: Dirty Music

Postby Devi » Sat Jul 25, 2020 12:54 pm

Sigh.
I like it. What is it?

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Re: Dirty Music

Postby eric olthwaite » Sat Jul 25, 2020 1:11 pm

Devi wrote:Sigh.


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Re: Dirty Music

Postby Tommy » Sat Jul 25, 2020 1:17 pm

They will be going absolutely fucking mad for this album in Dalston. This is exactly that sort of fare.

Alas, I live in Tottenham and the non-profit music venue I co-founded was in Bermondsey.

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Re: Dirty Music

Postby eric olthwaite » Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:48 pm

Tommy wrote:They will be going absolutely fucking mad for this album in Dalston. This is exactly that sort of fare.


That’s kind of still the point, to be fair. Taking a position on a piece of music because of the circumstances in which it was made rather than what it’s like to listen to works in both directions.
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Re: Dirty Music

Postby welshwhite » Sat Jul 25, 2020 6:34 pm

Here's one of her latest songs, thought I'd give it a listen as I'm open minded in everything.

If you like music that sounds like a Cat walking across a piano whilst someone is slowly flicking a cigarette lighter then this is just up your street.


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Re: Dirty Music

Postby Terre Harte II » Sat Jul 25, 2020 6:37 pm

Man. An entire page of Taylor Swift analysis and I get shit for liking one Nolans song? :lol:
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Re: Dirty Music

Postby Professor Weeto » Sat Jul 25, 2020 6:37 pm

welshwhite wrote:Here's one of her latest songs, thought I'd give it a listen as I'm open minded in everything.

If you like music that sounds like a Cat walking across a piano whilst someone is slowly flicking a cigarette lighter then this is just up your street.



I actually listened to it off the back of this description. A good description but I would have preferred the song if it sounded even more like that.

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Re: Dirty Music

Postby Blackwhite » Sat Jul 25, 2020 7:04 pm

Terre Harte II wrote:Man. An entire page of Taylor Swift analysis and I get shit for liking one Nolans song? :lol:

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