O/T The NHS Appreciation Memorial Thread

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O/T The NHS Appreciation Memorial Thread

Postby Blackwhite » Wed May 09, 2012 10:27 pm

Remember buying a train ticket pre-privatisation? You paid, everyone knew the rules, but it was a bit shonky. Cheap, but shonky. If it was given a bit more money and was managed well, it was as good as a train system could possibly be (Swiss, Germans, even the fucking French and Italians beat us at it: all nationalised).

Privatised: a nightmare of expensive incompatible ticket combos, buck-passing and responsibility-abdication. Needless leasing costs. Vampiric shareholder divi's. Gotta profit, right?

The NHS was always deemed Untouchable, politically, socially. Gas fields, phones, trains, water: controversial. The NHS? Are you crazy?

But somehow, via Con-Lab-Con, we've just let a bunch of Eton-educated fuckwits hand the NHS over to the money that crashed the world in the first place. And soon there will be internal markets where the NHS is banned from NOT making a profit, because otherwise It's Just Not Fair.

If you think the trains are bad, just wait.

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Re: O/T The NHS Appreciation Memorial Thread

Postby AndyPaul » Wed May 09, 2012 10:53 pm

The NHS is the envy of most of the world, it looks after me when I am ill and ...... Errrrrrrr....... Well it pays my wages too.

Save our NHS :salute:

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Postby the flying pig » Wed May 09, 2012 11:23 pm

Yeah, i'm not such a massive fan, all told. Am reasonably close to some of the upper(ish) echelons of various parts of the NHS, there is an awful lot to find fault with in terms of, well, waste, basically. Pouring untold billions into state-run enterprises does tend to have that effect... Whatever you think of market mechanisms they are good at lots of efficiency type things, anything run by the state has the potential to be a big of a nightmare basically . My experiences as a patient & relative of patients have been fairly mixed.

This all said I'm under no illusions as to the shortcomings of many of the alternatives, and am slightly baffled at the way these reasonably meaty changes have snuck in without, seemingly, anyone voting for them. It's weird - if you look at thatcher's 1979 manifesto privatisation wasn't something she planned to major on at all, rather it was something she kind of stumbled upon as a 'concept' whilst basically selling stuff to raise cash. But this new form of privatisation won't even bring in an up-front windfall... Just lots of contracts for various companies... Is the the main job of government now, to find opportunities for such firms?

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O/T The NHS Appreciation Memorial Thread

Postby jackos » Thu May 10, 2012 4:25 am

Sweden has gone at the forefront over the last 5 or so years, privatising Hospitals, clinics schools. All it has meant for most people is less choice. The venture Capitalists who run the hospitals/clinics etc have made billions, billions that could have been spent improving our health service have gone straight into a few already rich folks pockets. There's a court case gong on at the moment in Stockholm. The city council 'sold' a clinic to a few doctors so they could develop business and patient care independently, they presented lots of ideas for how they would improve service for "customers". Result? They paid £50k n told it on four days later for 2 million.

The same Swedish capitalists are investing heavily in the UK market, seeing the opportunity to slaughter an even fatter lamb. DON'T LET HM DO IT!!!! It's very simple for me, the same health care should be available to everyone, no matter how rich or poor they are, don't suppose that will ever happen with the way society is going, but there as to be a limit for how much we let the bastards take from us.

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O/T The NHS Appreciation Memorial Thread

Postby the flying pig » Thu May 10, 2012 6:33 am

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Postby Quiffy » Thu May 10, 2012 7:11 am

my lad's a bit complicated and has had a load of operations, some big, some minor, so we've spent a lot of time in LGI and st james's over the years and almost without fail we've found the 'service' we've had, a term that doesn't do it justice, from those at the delivery end to have been excellent. the staff are the finest resource that this behemoth has and need to be appreciated more :thumbl:
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Postby Dale White » Thu May 10, 2012 7:24 am

I have nothing but praise for the nhs, unfortunately i have had to use it more and more over the last ten years and their care has kept me alive. There was a brand new hospital built in 2002 not 5 mins walk from our house in the last 2 years it's services have been either shut down or moved to fucking bury and oldham. It had a fantastic a & e department that has also been shut down, i fear the worst for the nhs with the cunts that are in goverment today.Hopefully it will see the lib dums destroyed for their part in it.
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Postby burnleyinexile » Thu May 10, 2012 7:42 am

Quiffy wrote:my lad's a bit complicated and has had a load of operations, some big, some minor, so we've spent a lot of time in LGI and st james's over the years and almost without fail we've found the 'service' we've had, a term that doesn't do it justice, from those at the delivery end to have been excellent. the staff are the finest resource that this behemoth has and need to be appreciated more :thumbl:


Hear hear. Never truly appreciated what a fantastic entity the NHS is until I was diagnosed. Until then it was just summat I used when I fell off my motorbike or otherwise took a tumble, never gave it more than a passing thought.

Now, though, I really do appreciate it. Anywhere else in the world I would have to pay for my chemo, and I ain't got the means. The care I receive is second to none, ok the odd hiccup occurs but nothing major, and the people I have come into contact with simply cannot do enough. In fact my Oncologist has told me they will do virtually anything as long as it benefits the patient.

That said, there has to to be scope to chop some of the tiers of management and use the money to fund other things.
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Postby mi.mic.mick.mick jones » Thu May 10, 2012 7:42 am

Dale White wrote:I have nothing but praise for the nhs, unfortunately i have had to use it more and more over the last ten years and their care has kept me alive. There was a brand new hospital built in 2002 not 5 mins walk from our house in the last 2 years it's services have been either shut down or moved to fucking bury and oldham. It had a fantastic a & e department that has also been shut down, i fear the worst for the nhs with the cunts that are in goverment today.Hopefully it will see the lib dums destroyed for their part in it.

A very similar think has happened in ponte. A very good hospital with 400+ beds, a very good A&E dept, a maternity unit with scuba, a specialised geriatric facility all within 10 mins for the entire town has been flattened and replaced with what is basically an office block. And someone's made an absolute fortune from it. I've said it before on here, that if someone other than a doctor, nurse, porter, cleaner, driver etc who doesn't contribute to the health of a patient makes money from the NHS, then this should be fraud, and they should be jailed for it. A private company, investor, shareholder whatever, will only put any money into something, if they're taking more out than what they put in, so these people are nicking the money put in from your' taxes and ni payments......fraud. Privatise if you want to, but pay me back the money I' ve contributed to the system. You shouldn't be allowed to make money out of the money I've invested, the NHS belongs to us,, so we should be paid from the private purse if they want to privatise it.
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Re: O/T The NHS Appreciation Memorial Thread

Postby Mustafaster » Thu May 10, 2012 7:48 am

the flying pig wrote:Yeah, i'm not such a massive fan, all told. Am reasonably close to some of the upper(ish) echelons of various parts of the NHS, there is an awful lot to find fault with in terms of, well, waste, basically. Pouring untold billions into state-run enterprises does tend to have that effect... Whatever you think of market mechanisms they are good at lots of efficiency type things, anything run by the state has the potential to be a big of a nightmare basically . My experiences as a patient & relative of patients have been fairly mixed.

No doubt that an organisation the size of the NHS is going to suffer from fair degree of waste, inefficiency and duplication, it's pretty well inevitable, sadly.
Not sure if the private sector is a whole lot better though. I work with a few biggish companies and honestly I don't see them being massively more efficient tbh. There are plenty of clock watchers, place holders and bullshit peddlers wan dering the corridors at the top of Banco Santander for example. They spend untold amounts on consultants, lawyers and snake oil salesmen, all on unbelievable daily rates, and the amount they spend on "hospitality" is eye watering.

the flying pig wrote:This all said I'm under no illusions as to the shortcomings of many of the alternatives, and am slightly baffled at the way these reasonably meaty changes have snuck in without, seemingly, anyone voting for them. It's weird - if you look at thatcher's 1979 manifesto privatisation wasn't something she planned to major on at all, rather it was something she kind of stumbled upon as a 'concept' whilst basically selling stuff to raise cash. But this new form of privatisation won't even bring in an up-front windfall... Just lots of contracts for various companies... Is the the main job of government now, to find opportunities for such firms?

Thatcher herself sort of "stumbled on" privatisation as a way of making a quick fiver, true. But the people behind her (supply-side voodoo conomists) held it as the central tenet of their world view.
When it became obvious just how much money the corporate sector could make out of it then it became a fundamental part of the political system, with the multinationals spending vast amounts on lobbyists and schmoozing civil servants and politicians who are now largely in the pockets of the corporate lobbyists.
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Postby simplyleedsutd » Thu May 10, 2012 9:43 am

RIP NHS.

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Postby eric olthwaite » Thu May 10, 2012 10:53 am

Mustafaster wrote:Not sure if the private sector is a whole lot better though. I work with a few biggish companies and honestly I don't see them being massively more efficient tbh. There are plenty of clock watchers, place holders and bullshit peddlers wandering the corridors at the top of Banco Santander for example. They spend untold amounts on consultants, lawyers and snake oil salesmen, all on unbelievable daily rates, and the amount they spend on "hospitality" is eye watering.


This exactly. Always annoys me when 'inefficiency' is used as a stick to beat the public sector.

I work with a number of vast civil engineering companies and they are massively inefficient and wasteful. But all that matters is that they make a profit. The nature of the work carried out is such that there are only a few identical companies with the capacity to take on the work so there's a virtual monopoly, and if they don't make a profit on a project they cover the loss on what they charge for the next project, not by improving efficiency.

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Postby WHITETHROUGH » Thu May 10, 2012 7:42 pm

mi.mic.mick.mick jones.

A very similar think has happened in ponte. A very good hospital with 400+ beds, a very good A&E dept, a maternity unit with scuba, a specialised geriatric facility all within 10 mins for the entire town has been flattened and replaced with what is basically an office block. And someone's made an absolute fortune from it.


Ponty Hospital is in a bit of a mess now. My youngest Son was born there and I and the wife and the other kids have been in and out over the years. My latest visit since it acquired it's more efficient status....(A@E is now part time)...was last Monday when I was the victim of an unprovoked attack by a rake in the garden.

It was a freak accident but I stood on it and three of the blades went through my clog and skewered me with about an inch going in to my foot..a minute later I removed it and got myself down to A@E.

It was a pretty mixed bag. Got through reception quickly....they didn't bother with stitches....a bit of lint and a bandage. I could have removed the remnants of the sock in the holes myself and done the bandage malarkey at home...and gone for a tetanus jab the next day. Also while I was in there I had an X-Ray.

I would have appreciated not having to hop down the corridor; they got me a wheel chair when it seemed it was taking me a long time! The x ray was very quick and efficient and the turnaround time for the doctor to see the pictures and give his assessment was extremely fast.

I was then wheeled out to the wife’s car giving no crutches and told to report to my GP if it got painful. I spent the next few days crawling around the house while using a broom as a means of support. My daughter suggested using the rake but I wasn’t tempting fate as it had already won round one, and could have added insult to injury!
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Postby Blackwhite » Tue May 15, 2012 9:17 am

Interesting day or so. Lansley gets a rough reception at the RCN congress, and even the Telegraph have it in for him (but then they pretty much want to sack Cameron already AFAIK, so their game is a long one).

The RCN a day before had warned of folks increasingly getting treated in corridors, a little-appreciated driver of secondary infections that DO kill and fuck up people, and otherwise relatively well people at that. Note how the shills for private healthcare LOVE IT when such scare stories are reality. Got money? Come over here, away from that grubby train wreck...

And on top of all that, Clive Peedell has got his new NHA Party off the ground, although it's not clear how this will work - previous NHS candidates often had a cleared field IIRC, with some Establishment candidates backing out. These votes might be better cast for Labour, strategically (providing the lying cunts make repealing the Act a manifesto pledge, and then stick to it).

This Disaster Capitalism sounds familiar. Ideologically-driven acts under the excuse of a Recession they are prolonging accidentally (?). But if that was true, there would be warnings from recent history, right? Like, maybe Greece, last week? (Warning: fat half-naked middle-aged Greek bints). At this rate, they will exit the Euro, sort themselves out a la the Argies/the pixiefuckers and get their NHS back. We fucking won't.

EDIT: worth checking out the chatter behind the barricades; "Work harder for less or fuck off" and "Blow the whistle if there's a problem" in an organisation that's killed more messengers than the Spartan king. If I'm a customer, surely I'm always right? So give me back my NHS.
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Postby eric olthwaite » Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:13 am

Jeremy Hunt? REALLY??

Oh, fuck. :pale:

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Postby AndyPaul » Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:58 am

eric olthwaite wrote:Jeremy Hunt? REALLY??

Oh, fuck. :pale:


I can't wait..............

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Postby Dale White » Tue Sep 04, 2012 1:57 pm

Hunt is and has always been against the NHS, he once called it a 60 year mistake, hope the journos bring thar up everytime he's interviewed. Cameron has also promoted a scab, he's a true blue thatcherite cunt alright, hug a huskie my fucking arse.
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Postby gazurtoids » Tue Sep 04, 2012 3:54 pm

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Postby Blackwhite » Tue Sep 04, 2012 4:37 pm

gazurtoids wrote:Image

That cunt... He makes me reexamine my commitment to combat homophobic victimisation. (And I don't care about his fucking wife, she's a beard if ever I saw one.)
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Postby Dale White » Tue Sep 04, 2012 5:00 pm

gazurtoids wrote:Image
I'd love to smash that fucking smug face into oblivion.
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