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the flying pig
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Re: Word up!

Postby the flying pig » Fri Mar 02, 2018 4:17 pm

dirty leeds wrote:
the flying pig wrote:
dirty leeds wrote:I'm a Smoggy. Not far away, I suppose, being from York.


yeah. it's a bit wank for them to have identified different accents for all of wearside, tyneside, & teeside but just one for 'yorkshire', which as a collective covers a far larger geographic area, is vastly more populous. N/E/W/S yorks accents are all very different.


Yeah, I remember the time I first encountered a Leeds accent as a kid - my eldest bro went out with a Pudsey lass for a while. Only 20 miles away but very different to York.


definitely. to my ear many leeds & especially bradford accents are only half a step removed from manc. i say 'many' because you obviously get plenty of variations within ridiculously short distances of each other.

by way of an example, if you listened even moderately carefully on 'coronation street', rita duckworth & liz mcdonald had slightly more [west] yorks than lancs vowel sounds, reflecting the actresses origins, no-one much [in the south, at any rate] cared or noticed... but then [leeds born & bred] angela griffin's character sounded reasonably manc but when you hear her in interviews and/or other roles many of her vowel sounds aren't what i'd view as classically yorkshire at all.

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Re: Word up!

Postby Blackwhite » Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:16 pm

Somebody reverse index this so I can search by modern term: A Classical Dictionary of the Vulgar Tongue, 1788.


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Re: Word up!

Postby Mustafaster » Sun Mar 18, 2018 9:02 am

Greatest tongue twister ever:
One smart feller, he felt smart, two smart fellers, they felt smart.
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Re: Word up!

Postby Mustafaster » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:49 am

Assistance needed friends.
The opinions of native speakers in usage are always very valuable so please don't hold back, your opinion is as valid as anyone else's.
Do you see any difference between these two, sentences, and if so what do you think they are?
1. I wish you did more exercise
2. I wish you would do more exercise.

Thank you.
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Re: Word up!

Postby dirty leeds » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:55 am

First one feels American English to me. I would naturally use the second.

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Re: Word up!

Postby SimonB » Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:52 am

Two opinions around the office -

First - number 1 sounds more as if you are speaking about the past and number 2 is more about the future
Second - number 1 sounds a more positive desire for you to do more exercise than number 2
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Re: Word up!

Postby Ponte » Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:56 am

Both come across the same to me but I would use 'I wish you'd do more exercise'.
Actually I'd probably use 'I wish you'd exercise more'.
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the flying pig
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Re: Word up!

Postby the flying pig » Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:13 am

i think i agree with Simon's post... 1) sounds kinda defeatist, like you're expressing regret, acknowledging there's no likely change on the agenda; 2), whilst not the most positive construction ever, is a bit more aspirational.

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Re: Word up!

Postby Oheddieeddie » Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:36 am

2 sounds like the speaker is mildly disappointed and implies some criticism

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Re: Word up!

Postby dirty leeds » Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:58 am

I think they both sound negative - you can't say either to a woman. Heh-heh.

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Re: Word up!

Postby Proud to be Leeds » Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:32 pm

the flying pig wrote:i think i agree with Simon's post... 1) sounds kinda defeatist, like you're expressing regret, acknowledging there's no likely change on the agenda; 2), whilst not the most positive construction ever, is a bit more aspirational.


Yep, has a more 'pro-active' feel to it.
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Re: Word up!

Postby Mustafaster » Thu Mar 22, 2018 2:15 pm

Yeah, you've pretty much confirmed my feelings on it, but it's good to run it by others at times.
Both are negative, but....
The first has no future context and implies there will be no change.
The second has a possible future context and has some hope of future change.
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Re: Word up!

Postby The Tin Man » Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:21 am

Spanner in the works from me. Maybe I'm a philistine but to me they are pretty much identicial. Imagine a parent admonishing their offspring " I wish you did more exercise " To me there is an explicit message (although tinged with regret -t'is true !) Do more bloody exercise- you lazy fat git. "I wish you would do more exercise " - just sounds a bit more polite ?

Edit - actually reading Musta's conclusion . I think you're right except with the first one there is still a possibility of change. All is not lost !! anyway which Leeds player were you talking to ?
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Re: Word up!

Postby Son of Leeds » Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:28 pm

I wish you did more exercise: I wish you were in the habit of doing a greater amount of exercise though I'm not specifying any timeframe.
I wish you would do more exercise: I wish you would at some unspecified point in the future, or immediately, start the habit of more exercise.

The crucial difference is in intention. The first could be said in the sense of, 'I know you won't.' The second could be a request. The first is compatible with a situation where more exercise cannot be an option. The second only makes sense if more exercise is an option.
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Re: Word up!

Postby Blackwhite » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:47 pm

What wrong with "GET ON THE TREADMILL YOU FAT CUNT"?
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Re: Word up!

Postby eric olthwaite » Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:25 am

gazurtoids wrote:Apropos o' nowt, I really think we need to clamp down on erroneous use of whereby lads. :spidey:


We're now up to 623 uses of 'whereby' on the board, at least half of which are Tommy and all of those are incorrect.

If you are desirous of using whereby, the simple test is to substitute 'by which' and see if it sounds OK.

For the love of God Tommy please - pretty please - can you stop now?

At the very least, if you're going to use a random word incorrectly, at least show some originality.

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Re: Word up!

Postby Mustafaster » Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:38 pm

AAAAAAAGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!
In touch with a firm of solicitors over me dad's will, involves signing various documents yada yada...
So I send an email asking if they need the originals or if I can just scan them and send them by email...
Reply:
Thanks for your email. You can scan them over to myself once they’re signed.
:cry: :evil:
What does a chap do under these circumstances? These are solicitors ffs! They make their living from correct and precise use of language.
Sorely tempted to reply: No, I can't scan them and send them to yourself. I can send them to you, to anyone else, even to myself, but not to yourself. Myself is a reflexive pronoun used when the subject and object are the same person.
Do your job and learn to use the language you were given freely at birth correctly
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Of course wisdom will prevail, and I will meekly accept this barbarisation of English for a quiet life ....
:(
Mirrors and copulation are abominable, since they both multiply the numbers of men.

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Re: Word up!

Postby the flying pig » Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:44 pm

Mustafaster wrote:AAAAAAAGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!
In touch with a firm of solicitors over me dad's will, involves signing various documents yada yada...
So I send an email asking if they need the originals or if I can just scan them and send them by email...
Reply:
Thanks for your email. You can scan them over to myself once they’re signed.
:cry: :evil:
What does a chap do under these circumstances? These are solicitors ffs! They make their living from correct and precise use of language.
Sorely tempted to reply: No, I can't scan them and send them to yourself. I can send them to you, to anyone else, even to myself, but not to yourself. Myself is a reflexive pronoun used when the subject and object are the same person.
Do your job and learn to use the language you were given freely at birth correctly
.
Of course wisdom will prevail, and I will meekly accept this barbarisation of English for a quiet life ....
:(


oh aye. there's definitely a class of person who believes that using reflexive personal pronouns can add one or more of erudition, formality, lolz, etc to an otherwise undistinguished sentence. it's a shockingly awful class, obvs :thumbd: .

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Re: Word up!

Postby Mustafaster » Tue Apr 17, 2018 2:17 pm

the flying pig wrote:
Mustafaster wrote:AAAAAAAGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!
In touch with a firm of solicitors over me dad's will, involves signing various documents yada yada...
So I send an email asking if they need the originals or if I can just scan them and send them by email...
Reply:
Thanks for your email. You can scan them over to myself once they’re signed.
:cry: :evil:
What does a chap do under these circumstances? These are solicitors ffs! They make their living from correct and precise use of language.
Sorely tempted to reply: No, I can't scan them and send them to yourself. I can send them to you, to anyone else, even to myself, but not to yourself. Myself is a reflexive pronoun used when the subject and object are the same person.
Do your job and learn to use the language you were given freely at birth correctly
.
Of course wisdom will prevail, and I will meekly accept this barbarisation of English for a quiet life ....
:(


oh aye. there's definitely a class of person who believes that using reflexive personal pronouns can add one or more of erudition, formality, lolz, etc to an otherwise undistinguished sentence. it's a shockingly awful class, obvs :thumbd: .

Aye. You can sort of grit yer teeth and ignore it when it's Gladys from accounts (it's almost entirely a female trait btw, dunno why).
But a solicitor? Sort of undermines your faith in their professional competence a bit.
Sigh.
Mirrors and copulation are abominable, since they both multiply the numbers of men.

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Re: Word up!

Postby Ontolly » Tue Apr 17, 2018 2:33 pm

When a society starts to lose faith in it's solicitors then it won't be long before it doubts the legitamacy of it's estate agents :thumbd:
The only thing we knew for sure about Henry Porter was that his name wasn't Henry Porter.


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