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Re: t'premier leeg.

Postby dirty leeds » Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:25 am

I'd agree with those who have said that european football competitions are best enjoyed as an interesting and exotic extra rather than a guaranteed regular thing. Ensuring that we'll see Barca v Chelsea every year at least twice holds little interest for me.
A home league and one properly respected cup competition makes sporting sense. Earning the right to test yourself against some of the best around Europe does too - the clash of styles can be fascinating.
Converting the latter into a massive cash cow has fuck all to do with anything but making money and I'm not at all interested in helping the owners at Real Madrid and Manchester United do that.
Did I mention they can fuck off with their hair-brained scheme?

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Re: t'premier leeg.

Postby Bobbycollins » Wed Oct 21, 2020 1:28 pm

The only aspect that has surprised me in the most recent attempt by the owners of Liverpool and Man U, is their lack of ambition. A European Super League? Thin gruel as Jacob Rees Mogg would have it. Surely a global competition involving Flamenco, Boca Juniors, a couple of sides from China and whichever US team Beckham owns, with all games played in the UAE, is the only answer to the question of TV revenue maximisation. Perhaps then the rest of us can go back to 3pm kick offs on Saturdays and snow on Christmas morning.

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Re: t'premier leeg.

Postby Rob » Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:50 pm

Bobbycollins wrote:The only aspect that has surprised me in the most recent attempt by the owners of Liverpool and Man U, is their lack of ambition. A European Super League? Thin gruel as Jacob Rees Mogg would have it. Surely a global competition involving Flamenco, Boca Juniors, a couple of sides from China and whichever US team Beckham owns, with all games played in the UAE, is the only answer to the question of TV revenue maximisation. Perhaps then the rest of us can go back to 3pm kick offs on Saturdays and snow on Christmas morning.


Bingo....

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Re: t'premier leeg.

Postby jackos » Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:42 pm

Well, that was that then



Infantino added: "Liverpool have 180 million fans worldwide. Flamengo have 40 million fans and 39 million of them are in Brazil. Liverpool have maybe five million fans in England and 175 million fans around the world.

"I want clubs from outside Europe to have global appeal in the future. That's my vision: to have 50 clubs and 50 national teams who can become world champions."

UEFA has expressed its strong opposition to the proposed competition, which is reportedly backed by Real Madrid president Florentino Perez.

European football's governing body said any such Super League would "inevitably become boring".
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Re: t'premier leeg.

Postby the flying pig » Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:15 pm

not the perfect benchmark, but the old two-group-stage BAROMETER format was dull as ditchwater, and got ditched for good reason.

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Re: t'premier leeg.

Postby Devi » Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:25 am

the flying pig wrote:not the perfect benchmark, but the old two-group-stage BAROMETER format was dull as ditchwater, and got ditched for good reason.


Guess it's just me that still yearns for the older champions only tournament, still my personal benchmark for what is actually worth watching (and winning)
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Re: t'premier leeg.

Postby Bobbycollins » Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:38 am

Echoing a point made some time ago, I used to think that winning the Fairs/UEFA cup was more difficult that the European Cup, largely due to the effort required to become national champions, which seemed to leave some clubs drained in the following season.

As regards the two groups of Champions league matches, the format was brilliant when we were involved, as we were the minnows who brought down giants. But yes, the format was pretty uninspiring in most other years.

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Re: t'premier leeg.

Postby the flying pig » Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:55 am

there is something appealing about a big fuck off tournament with a large number of intra-top tier 'big gun' clashes in it, like the modern CL/old UEFA cup format.

but, i mean, if you look at the list of EC/CL winners, say focusing on the last ten EC tournaments [82-92] and the first ten BAROMETERs [93-03] (which started off with a single entry per country, but that soon changed), the old trend of [comparative] pisspot teams going a long way had already dried up quite a bit... of the 20 first BAROMETER finalists, 17 were from a 'big four' [england, germany, italy, spain] league, but then so were as many as 12 of the last 20 EC finallists, and that was against a backdrop of: (a) English clubs being banned between 86 and 92; and (b) the dog end of the old 'iron curtain', when a Steaua Bucharest could hang onto a Hagi or a Red Star Belgrade could hang onto a Savicevic or whatever. just the end of those two factors would probably have done nearly as much to promote 'big four' dominance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_E ... gue_finals

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Re: t'premier leeg.

Postby eric olthwaite » Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:08 am

I can see now that the narrative failure of Rollerball was that it never really explained whether there were local independent Rollerball leagues, sunday pub Rollerball games etc.
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Re: t'premier leeg.

Postby Mustafaster » Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:20 pm

Think i might have a squint at Frank v Ole whilst tweaking the midi on my latest progtastic opus.
Somebody is gonna have a bit of a lip tremble ...

Edit:
Terrible stuff from both teams.
Nothing to fear from either.
Rashford the best thing on show ... and we dodged a bullet with Cavani.
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Re: t'premier leeg.

Postby Trumper » Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:45 pm

Frank and Ole show was like c grade horror movie. Both sides stayed deep, barely any press with not much idea going forward. It’s like both clueless managers are so obsessed in showing their ability to organise a defence that it’s at the expense of all else. Bielsa will be a massive advantage in our meetings

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Re: t'premier leeg.

Postby Blackwhite » Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:51 pm

Trumper wrote:Frank and Ole show was like c grade horror movie. Both sides stayed deep, barely any press with not much idea going forward. It’s like both clueless managers are so obsessed in showing their ability to organise a defence that it’s at the expense of all else. Bielsa will be a massive advantage in our meetings

Was watching it wondering why nobody was making runs.


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Re: t'premier leeg.

Postby Oheddieeddie » Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:09 pm

I’m watching MOTD and it occurs to me that Micah Richards (even tho he’s ex-Leeds) is well just not great at this TV lark is he?

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Re: t'premier leeg.

Postby Eddies Boots » Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:13 pm

Trumper wrote:Frank and Ole show was like c grade horror movie. Both sides stayed deep, barely any press with not much idea going forward. It’s like both clueless managers are so obsessed in showing their ability to organise a defence that it’s at the expense of all else.


I always though that was Mourinho's style - why he needed expensive squads. The attacking players need to be good enough to work it out for themselves. His team will do analysis to help them, and they won't have to worry too much about defending because he will take care of that.

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Re: t'premier leeg.

Postby Devi » Sun Oct 25, 2020 10:07 am

The highlight of Ole V Frank was very definitely Patrice v Jimmy in the studio.
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Re: t'premier leeg.

Postby Bobbycollins » Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:14 am

I appreciate that the subject of VAR is not often discussed, however having watched MOTD last night, it would seem preferable for the guys looking at VAR to be more keen on the game of football, rather than pedantically drawing lines on still frames of the match. The penalty awarded against Liverpool appeared to be in respect of a tackle on a player standing outside the penalty area but presumably with some part of his body casting a shadow on the line of the penalty area. Meanwhile Maguire grabs Azpilicueta in a headlock but as this doesn't involve drawing lines on the picture, no offence is deemed to have taken place. I don't think football is the winner in these cases.

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Re: t'premier leeg.

Postby rss1969 » Sun Oct 25, 2020 7:21 pm

Oheddieeddie wrote:I’m watching MOTD and it occurs to me that Micah Richards (even tho he’s ex-Leeds) is well just not great at this TV lark is he?


If TV companies have to shoe horn more black pundits in, a straight swap of Beckford for Richards would be a good idea.

It is quite embarrassing how bad Richards is even though he comes across as a perfectly likeable bloke.

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Re: t'premier leeg.

Postby eric olthwaite » Sun Oct 25, 2020 9:26 pm

I look at that Southampton result and think:
a) Will fans get back in at all this season?
b) Will results continue to be all over the shop or will they settle?
c) Are we actually in with a shout for top four? We should improve as we become confident against the opposition and new signings (and Poveda) bed in.
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Re: t'premier leeg.

Postby Mustafaster » Sun Oct 25, 2020 9:27 pm

Just watched Leicester steal 3 points from The Arsenals. Candy from a baby.
Leicester very organised, but not much going forward apart from Vardy, who got the winner almost literally on a plate. No defender within 10 yards.
Leicester very similar to Wolves, boring as fuck but very hard to break down with 9 behind the ball at all times.
Having said that, The Arse were clueless, so static, no movement off the ball, narrow, predictable ...
Be interesting to see how Bielsa goes about breaking Leicester down.
Go wide, go hard, go fast. Run at the fuckers.
They are very good defending the ball in front of them.
Let's see how they cope with people getting behind them.
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Re: t'premier leeg.

Postby Arnieb » Sun Oct 25, 2020 9:29 pm

eric olthwaite wrote:I look at that Southampton result and think:
a) Will fans get back in at all this season?
b) Will results continue to be all over the shop or will they settle?
c) Are we actually in with a shout for top four? We should improve as we become confident against the opposition and new signings (and Poveda) bed in.


Weird league - I can't think there are many seasons when by matchday 6, every team has lost 1 game at least. Lack of fans must be playing a huge part as away trips are less daunting.

We have a serious chance of top 4 but then so do half the league at the moment.


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