O/T The Official Squareball Parenting Thread

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Re: O/T The Official Squareball Parenting Thread

Postby the flying pig » Fri Apr 17, 2020 10:35 am

i like nottingham, for some reason, though only been there a handful of times. it's a good-sized kinda midmarket city, sort of nicely diverse but quite traditional at the same time. nightlife, music scene, etc is genuinely good without quite being on the level of most of the 'second city' contenders.

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Re: O/T The Official Squareball Parenting Thread

Postby Wakefield White » Fri Apr 17, 2020 11:09 am

Can’t say I know much about Nottingham.

I’ve lived in Manchester for nearly 20 years and have to say that I love the place. Great drinking, eating, music & arts. It’s also go this quiet confidence about its place in the world that gives it a strong community feel (not dissimilar to Leeds actually) without the ridiculous identity driven nonsense of places like Liverpool and Newcastle. It’s a true multicultural city and is often seen as a good alternative to London, now the beeb are here there’s loads of opportunities in traditional and new media.

Down sides, it’s a big place and the gaps in wealth can cause it to be quite intimidating to newcomers. I know people who have lived here 10 years who don’t like parts of the city center (Piccadilly gardens makes the news nationally for being a shit hole caused by awful urban planning). As a student he’ll be closer to some of the more deprived communities (like anywhere I guess, but it’s more of an issue the greater the divide and the size of the city). It’s also an expensive place to live because the first paragraph.

It depends how much of a change he’s after and how comfortable he is in a big city. Nottingham might be an easier transition. Manchester might end up being more rewarding.
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Postby Professor Weeto » Fri Apr 17, 2020 11:14 am

Nottingham and Manchester are pretty similar, imo, with Manchester obviously being much bigger and having more of everything. Leeds is probably somewhere in between the two. Both nice places to live, I imagine, having spent a fair bit of time in both.

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Postby Ponte » Fri Apr 17, 2020 11:44 am

MightyWhite wrote:Nottingham is on the up a bit as a City these days. Not too dissimilar from Leeds in that mid-priced bars and eateries of every variety and gimmick are opening in all the nooks and crannies. Well connected to the ‘burbs by the tram. Job market a bit shite unless you want to work in the Civil Service but I guess that would be no concern to him

Got a Hooters anorl :thumbl:
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Postby Professor Weeto » Fri Apr 17, 2020 11:47 am

Ponte wrote:
MightyWhite wrote:Nottingham is on the up a bit as a City these days. Not too dissimilar from Leeds in that mid-priced bars and eateries of every variety and gimmick are opening in all the nooks and crannies. Well connected to the ‘burbs by the tram. Job market a bit shite unless you want to work in the Civil Service but I guess that would be no concern to him

Got a Hooters anorl :thumbl:


I remember back in the day Nottingham Uni was well known for having the highest proportion of female students in the country (I think over 60%?). Not sure if that's still the case.

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Postby eric olthwaite » Fri Apr 17, 2020 11:59 am

Wakefield White wrote:Can’t say I know much about Nottingham.

I’ve lived in Manchester for nearly 20 years and have to say that I love the place. Great drinking, eating, music & arts. It’s also go this quiet confidence about its place in the world that gives it a strong community feel (not dissimilar to Leeds actually) without the ridiculous identity driven nonsense of places like Liverpool and Newcastle. It’s a true multicultural city and is often seen as a good alternative to London, now the beeb are here there’s loads of opportunities in traditional and new media.

Down sides, it’s a big place and the gaps in wealth can cause it to be quite intimidating to newcomers. I know people who have lived here 10 years who don’t like parts of the city center (Piccadilly gardens makes the news nationally for being a shit hole caused by awful urban planning). As a student he’ll be closer to some of the more deprived communities (like anywhere I guess, but it’s more of an issue the greater the divide and the size of the city). It’s also an expensive place to live because the first paragraph.

It depends how much of a change he’s after and how comfortable he is in a big city. Nottingham might be an easier transition. Manchester might end up being more rewarding.


Manchester it is. Says he's up for getting lost in a big city and I get that. He spent a lot of time in London when he was quite young because of his dance career and still has a lot of mates there, and sometimes struggles with Lewes being a bit too provincial and a bit too white, so I reckon he'll be fine.
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Postby Ponte » Fri Apr 17, 2020 12:46 pm

Professor Weeto wrote:
Ponte wrote:
MightyWhite wrote:Nottingham is on the up a bit as a City these days. Not too dissimilar from Leeds in that mid-priced bars and eateries of every variety and gimmick are opening in all the nooks and crannies. Well connected to the ‘burbs by the tram. Job market a bit shite unless you want to work in the Civil Service but I guess that would be no concern to him

Got a Hooters anorl :thumbl:


I remember back in the day Nottingham Uni was well known for having the highest proportion of female students in the country (I think over 60%?). Not sure if that's still the case.

My mate went to uni there in the late 90s, I spent nearly every weekend there. It was fucking ace!
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Postby eric olthwaite » Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:05 am

Whilst the kid's accepted a place and planning on going, the thought occurs that starting uni under partial lockdown could be a hell of a mental challenge: ie moving to a new city but with no pubs or bars open and no group socialising permitted. I guess we'll review nearer the time.
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Postby Ponte » Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:10 am

eric olthwaite wrote:Whilst the kid's accepted a place and planning on going, the thought occurs that starting uni under partial lockdown could be a hell of a mental challenge: ie moving to a new city but with no pubs or bars open and no group socialising permitted. I guess we'll review nearer the time.

We are in the same boat. Daughter meant to be starting in September. Also she was planning on getting a part time job in a bar/restaurant to help her out with living expenses. I’m making up the shortfall between rent and what she can get as a student loan.
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Postby eric olthwaite » Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:16 am

Ponte wrote:
eric olthwaite wrote:Whilst the kid's accepted a place and planning on going, the thought occurs that starting uni under partial lockdown could be a hell of a mental challenge: ie moving to a new city but with no pubs or bars open and no group socialising permitted. I guess we'll review nearer the time.

We are in the same boat. Daughter meant to be starting in September. Also she was planning on getting a part time job in a bar/restaurant to help her out with living expenses. I’m making up the shortfall between rent and what she can get as a student loan.


I'm also wondering what the financial state of universities will be. I can imagine there'll be zero foreign students so no revenue, and UK students who decide to defer. Will some course entries be shut down at the last minute?
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Postby Ponte » Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:24 am

eric olthwaite wrote:
Ponte wrote:
eric olthwaite wrote:Whilst the kid's accepted a place and planning on going, the thought occurs that starting uni under partial lockdown could be a hell of a mental challenge: ie moving to a new city but with no pubs or bars open and no group socialising permitted. I guess we'll review nearer the time.

We are in the same boat. Daughter meant to be starting in September. Also she was planning on getting a part time job in a bar/restaurant to help her out with living expenses. I’m making up the shortfall between rent and what she can get as a student loan.


I'm also wondering what the financial state of universities will be. I can imagine there'll be zero foreign students so no revenue, and UK students who decide to defer. Will some course entries be shut down at the last minute?

Quite possibly. Daughter is desperate to not have to defer but it's feasible that there may be little choice. If she deferred she would ideally want to spend a year working in a theatre or something related to performing arts but that's all up the shitter anorl.
Case of wait and see and review later, as you say.
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Postby Blackwhite » Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:34 am

I don't want to be alarmist, and deeply hope it's wrong, but there are some severe mutterings about the financial hole the entire sector is going to be in. There's an expectation that some institutions will go to the wall due to the drop in overseas students.

I'll see if I can find the article and will post it. Not much to be done except support them as best you can and hope for the best.

Are their courses amenable to distance learning?

Edit: found it, it's the comment Murphy points to here.
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Postby jackos » Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:37 am

Ponte wrote:Quite possibly. Daughter is desperate to not have to defer but it's feasible that there may be little choice. If she deferred she would ideally want to spend a year working in a theatre or something related to performing arts but that's all up the shitter anorl.
Case of wait and see and review later, as you say.


There you also have the Brexit curse to contend with, traditional "womens" job with companies like H&M, Inditex a lot of women from the North of England on much better salaries than they could ever get in the UK and offer great training programs. Great schools in the UK, but, seemingly, relatively few decent jobs. Theatres often also have a few Brits working in their workshops, and those are just two examples that I can think of due to my missus background as a costume maker and in the clothing industry. She always has a bunch of English lasses in her teams.

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Postby eric olthwaite » Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:45 am

Blackwhite wrote:Are their courses amenable to distance learning?


In a theoretical sense, maybe, but all art and design courses rely on face to face dialogue and conversations with peers etc. It would be do-able and at the same time not worth doing, I suspect.

(And I can guess what Ponte's answer will be)
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Postby Ponte » Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:49 am

Blackwhite wrote:I don't want to be alarmist, and deeply hope it's wrong, but there are some severe mutterings about the financial hole the entire sector is going to be in. There's an expectation that some institutions will go to the wall due to the drop in overseas students.

I'll see if I can find the article and will post it. But much to be fine except support them as best you can and hope for the best.

Are their courses amenable to distance learning?


It's quite a small uni which has very few foreign students anyway and all performing arts based so hopefully won't be hit as hard as they could have been. Just if a large number defer then the shit hits the fan. It's LMA Liverpool, co-owned by Robbie Williams so hopefully the rich cunt can stick his hand in his pocket a bit!
She's doing BA hons in acting, not amenable at all to distance learning.
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Postby eric olthwaite » Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:56 am

Blackwhite wrote:Edit: found it, it's the comment Murphy points to here.


Just linked through this to the overseas students stats, ta. Manchester Met (where he's going) is pretty low down the list: 30k UK vs 3k overseas. Whereas UAL, where one of the girls went, is about 50/50. They're in deep shit.
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Postby the flying pig » Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:01 am

eric olthwaite wrote:
Blackwhite wrote:Edit: found it, it's the comment Murphy points to here.


Just linked through this to the overseas students stats, ta. Manchester Met (where he's going) is pretty low down the list: 30k UK vs 3k overseas. Whereas UAL, where one of the girls went, is about 50/50. They're in deep shit.


me and vamps' alma mater, LSE, has c 70% overseas students, one of the biggest numbers anywhere. i reckon they're hooped.

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Postby eric olthwaite » Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:11 am

the flying pig wrote:me and vamps' alma mater, LSE, has c 70% overseas students, one of the biggest numbers anywhere. i reckon they're hooped.


A school that teaches economics the first to get pumped in an economic crisis? Get Alanis Morrisette on the phone, I've got an idea.
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Postby Blackwhite » Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:12 am

A lot of others are in the hole for the student accommodation thing, don't forget. All that debt needs servicing...

Load of empty boxes went up around the UK.

I'm glad I left the sector, I suspected there would be carnage but never thought this sort of thing might be the driver. Thought it would be brexit pouring salt into the GFC wounds...
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Postby Blackwhite » Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:53 am

Putting this here in case it turns out to be true, but these NHS England/CCG alerts seem to be going out: keep an eye on your kids for any of these symptoms.


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