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Re: The Marcelo's a Magician but you aren't a Wizard Potter CK

Postby Batty's Boots » Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:52 pm

Phil,

That is why this game is so special. I respectfully disagree with you, but appreciate your efforts to justify your points also, even if they were from another game.

Bielsa, without the ball, is all about tracking your man. Forshaw is worse than Raphinia and Harrison when it comes to this stat, which is why I have the issues.

I am a just a teacher, and can not come up with the appropriate example, but defensively, Forshaw shows to be tracking, but always loses his man, which causes concern on a defence that is structured on man-to-man. But his inability to track in a man marking system, when others do not see what I see, really makes my heart sad.

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Postby Trumper » Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:59 pm

Batty's Boots wrote:Phil,

That is why this game is so special. I respectfully disagree with you, but appreciate your efforts to justify your points also, even if they were from another game.

Bielsa, without the ball, is all about tracking your man. Forshaw is worse than Raphinia and Harrison when it comes to this stat, which is why I have the issues.

I am a just a teacher, and can not come up with the appropriate example, but defensively, Forshaw shows to be tracking, but always loses his man, which causes concern on a defence that is structured on man-to-man. But his inability to track in a man marking system, when others do not see what I see, really makes my heart sad.

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Do you have stats to back up lack of back tracking? Because from the old eye he’s working harder (and more effective) than quite a few others ..especially last couple of games

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Postby MightyWhite » Sat Nov 27, 2021 10:02 pm

Really interested in your points BB, I was very much on the Forshaw was decent corner but it wouldn’t be the first time I’ve been suckered in by superficial competence. Almost makes me want to watch the game again to take another look at it.

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Postby Oheddieeddie » Sat Nov 27, 2021 10:04 pm

A point from that is great. Right let’s challenge a few things

The reason we looked dogshit, and this is always the case, is that we made another 3 changes. It’s not the unavailability of players, it’s the constant changes that destroy our cohesiveness. We need a settled side

Forshaw was not as bad as some, but he’s no world beater either. Klich can do more at his best, but you sort of know exactly what you will get with Forshaw

Tyler Roberts getting stick, nah fuck off, he wasn’t the problem today, some of you are acting like the pigeons in a B.F. Skinner experiment with your criticism, and actually we created a few things, held up the ball well, and had an attacking presence when he came on.

What was up with Raphinha,he wasn’t showing much for the ball… did we find out what his illness was? He was definitely out of sorts

Harrison got some decent crosses into the box, but then seemed to realise it was pointless exercise being a traditional winger in that sense as nobody was ever in the running onto them, so resorted to cutting it inside to whoever was near him in the edge of the 18 yard area

Llorente, he’s just a little theatrical for me. In principle I like him, but I want him to concentrate on his job

Rodrigo. If he was fully fit, that performance really was dire.

Struijk - he just makes a difference whatever he does. Harrison benefitted from having a decent player alongside him in the previous two matches, and today he brought some measure calmness and control to the middle once he had settled in after that moment he got caught in possession just after he came on

Is KP alright. He looked out of sorts if that was not an injury that ended his game.

Meslier - what a fantastic keeper this lad is. We are incredibly lucky to have him.

Dan James.. I don’t dislike him, but that (very) false nine position really is pointless

Moscow on the podcast. It’s not mindless optimism, it’s nuance and balance. What do you want, just a load of moaning when we lose with no examination of context?

Kit clash? As previously discussed

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Postby Quiffy » Sat Nov 27, 2021 10:10 pm

Trumper wrote:For a bloke who’s usually so cautious of bringing players back from injury it’s surprising he started Firpo who really has barely played any football. Thought he threw him under the bus tbh. Clearly was worried about Lamptey’s speed against Struijk. Maybe should’ve tried James on left wing supporting Dallas at fb. James starting at #9 was horrible decision …thought Gelhardt may have been able to dribble his way past their tall cbs and cause problems today. Was KP even fit? Was Bielsa a little panicked today dare I say?

good points trumper. bit harsh to describe it as throwig firpo under a bus, but lamptey's speed must have been behind the decision to start firpo and not the less nimble pascal. dunno if you would have described him as roadkill if he hadn't had such a stinker afterwards. dan james up top instead of gelhardt? unlikely to work but how can you drop james after last week? dropping our record signing after his best game just to fit in brazil's new creative genius? who'd want to be a manager?

i didn't agree with the starting line up but marcelo's got infinite credit in the bank imo.
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Postby welshwhite » Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:11 pm

I was right at the back of the away end today and as soon as the players took the field I thought the both kits were too alike, really pissed me off.

Just took a look at Forshaw's age, he's still only thirty.
If he can stay injury free and hold the form he's currently in I'd not be surprised if Southgate came and took a little look at him. Love to see him at the WC after battling back after two long years :thumbl:

Just a shame we couldn't nick all three points at the end.
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Postby Batty's Boots » Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:19 pm

welshwhite wrote:
Just took a look at Forshaw's age, he's still only thirty.
If he can stay injury free and hold the form he's currently in I'd not be surprised if Southgate came and took a little look at him. Love to see him at the WC after battling back after two long years


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Postby Quiffy » Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:21 pm

Batty's Boots wrote:
welshwhite wrote:
Just took a look at Forshaw's age, he's still only thirty.
If he can stay injury free and hold the form he's currently in I'd not be surprised if Southgate came and took a little look at him. Love to see him at the WC after battling back after two long years


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Postby welshwhite » Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:34 pm

Quiffy wrote: dropping our record signing


That honour belongs to Mr. Rodrigo, AKA the Yorkshire Messi.

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Postby Quiffy » Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:45 pm

welshwhite wrote:
Quiffy wrote: dropping our record signing


That honour belongs to Mr. Rodrigo, AKA the Yorkshire Messi.

yup.

(not sure if my original ramble made that clear).

the bloke's got skillz but it's like jamming the wrong shaped jigsaw piece into the blue sky cos you're fed up of trying at the moment. the bloke's done nothing to suggest he shouldn't take tyler's seat on the bench.

i know i've defended both of them on here 6 months ago, but i was a glass half full fucker back then.
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Postby welshwhite » Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:54 pm

Quiffy wrote:

(not sure if my original ramble made that clear).

the bloke's got skillz but it's like jamming the wrong shaped jigsaw piece into the blue sky cos you're fed up of trying at the moment. the bloke's done nothing to suggest he shouldn't take tyler's seat on the bench.

i know i've defended both of them on here 6 months ago, but i was a glass half full fucker back then.


So many (myself included) questioning Bielsa's team selections. I doubt if anyone on here would have picked today's starting eleven. Or even the subs that came on.

Of course we all want him to stay but it's starting to look like he's become a stubborn fucker. Small squad included.

We need our crocked players back, a bit sharpish.

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Postby Oheddieeddie » Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:56 pm

Quiffy wrote:
welshwhite wrote:
Quiffy wrote: dropping our record signing


That honour belongs to Mr. Rodrigo, AKA the Yorkshire Messi.

yup.

(not sure if my original ramble made that clear).

the bloke's got skillz but it's like jamming the wrong shaped jigsaw piece into the blue sky cos you're fed up of trying at the moment. the bloke's done nothing to suggest he shouldn't take tyler's seat on the bench.

i know i've defended both of them on here 6 months ago, but i was a glass half full fucker back then.


Tyler’s stats in his 27 minutes were fairly impressivetbf



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Postby Quiffy » Sun Nov 28, 2021 12:06 am

true, but he's not the answer. gelhardt is.
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Postby welshwhite » Sun Nov 28, 2021 12:13 am

Tuesday's team selection is going to be interesting, considering we could have lost 3-0 today.

James as #9 again, etc.

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Postby Blackwhite » Sun Nov 28, 2021 12:36 am

Just finished watching the recording.

Tyler did impress me with how he at least tried to make something happen, and nearly did. No blame on him. Lots of bad moments from even recent dependables, and a few stinkers, looking at you junior...

To be wondering if I feel bad we didn't nick it or lucky we got a point says it all. Crowd sounded amazing, hope you all loved singing for Gary.
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Postby Terre Harte II » Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:40 am

Oheddieeddie wrote:A point from that is great. Right let’s challenge a few things

The reason we looked dogshit, and this is always the case, is that we made another 3 changes. It’s not the unavailability of players, it’s the constant changes that destroy our cohesiveness. We need a settled side

Forshaw was not as bad as some, but he’s no world beater either. Klich can do more at his best, but you sort of know exactly what you will get with Forshaw

Tyler Roberts getting stick, nah fuck off, he wasn’t the problem today, some of you are acting like the pigeons in a B.F. Skinner experiment with your criticism, and actually we created a few things, held up the ball well, and had an attacking presence when he came on.

What was up with Raphinha,he wasn’t showing much for the ball… did we find out what his illness was? He was definitely out of sorts

Harrison got some decent crosses into the box, but then seemed to realise it was pointless exercise being a traditional winger in that sense as nobody was ever in the running onto them, so resorted to cutting it inside to whoever was near him in the edge of the 18 yard area

Llorente, he’s just a little theatrical for me. In principle I like him, but I want him to concentrate on his job

Rodrigo. If he was fully fit, that performance really was dire.

Struijk - he just makes a difference whatever he does. Harrison benefitted from having a decent player alongside him in the previous two matches, and today he brought some measure calmness and control to the middle once he had settled in after that moment he got caught in possession just after he came on

Is KP alright. He looked out of sorts if that was not an injury that ended his game.

Meslier - what a fantastic keeper this lad is. We are incredibly lucky to have him.

Dan James.. I don’t dislike him, but that (very) false nine position really is pointless

Moscow on the podcast. It’s not mindless optimism, it’s nuance and balance. What do you want, just a load of moaning when we lose with no examination of context?

Kit clash? As previously discussed


Can't argue with any of this ... apart from the Moscow bit. Issue I have is that when he wants to lay into someone or something, usually among the opposition, he doesn't hold back. When it comes to providing deserved criticism to some of the sacred cows on Leeds, there's a lot of kvetching, praising for minimal accomplishment, and lately, quite a bit of goal-post moving when he gets challenged on a point. Still enjoy listening to him, though.
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Postby MightyWhite » Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:23 am

Should qualify that I wasn’t criticising nor trying to instigate a referendum on Moscow with my initial comment yesterday. He’s absolutely superb on the podcast and one of the most knowledgeable and erudite guys out there in the Leeds blogo-podo-sphere (that strange argument with Dan about transfer options the other day aside). Must be the years of honing his craft on this here hot house of wit and expertise :cyclops: I guess I wasn’t quite ready for his brand of dogmatic optimism about the state of the team last night - which turned out to be irrelevant as he wasn’t on the pod anyway!
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Postby eric olthwaite » Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:59 am

Had similar conversations yesterday. I have some sympathy towards this line of observation:

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Postby jackos » Sun Nov 28, 2021 9:01 am

Good to see Eddie has regained his faith in Roberts, I disagree obviously. Bielsa seemingly sees Tyler as an impact sub, I can't remember the last time he made an impact. No, he didn't do anything spectacularly wrong yesterday, but as my kids said, "You don't get any points for hitting the oppositions keeper".

Brighton were knackered when Tyler came on yesterday, we saw what Gelhardt did when he came on against Wolves. The choice was simple. Bielsa made the wrong one.
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Postby AmarinderBedi » Sun Nov 28, 2021 9:10 am

jackos wrote:Good to see Eddie has regained his faith in Roberts, I disagree obviously. Bielsa seemingly sees Tyler as an impact sub, I can't remember the last time he made an impact. No, he didn't do anything spectacularly wrong yesterday, but as my kids said, "You don't get any points for hitting the oppositions keeper".

Brighton were knackered when Tyler came on yesterday, we saw what Gelhardt did when he came on against Wolves. The choice was simple. Bielsa made the wrong one.


Relatively speaking Roberts did ok yesterday - but the bar for him is very low. Also we were struggling as a team - so the usual gap you see in speed of thought and movement, weight and timing of passes wasn’t as obvious as it can be (eg when Klich, Raph, Rodrigo, Harrison, Bamford are moving the ball forward with fluidity and precision).


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