So if England win in '26 and our captain was forced where a Uncle Sam costume while accepting the trophy, or France had been forced to wear a Soviet flag when they won in 2018, you'd have been okay with that?
So yeah: inappropriate, poorly timed, and against FIFA rules (but when did they matter?), but not, of itself, offensive. Quite the reverse, and unlikely IMO an attempt to ensure 'Arabic symbolism' was the primary motive, otherwise the Emir - and Infantino - would've gatecrashed the trophy lift photo, no?The garment is called a 'bisht' and it is an outer garment worn in predominantly Arab countries. The name is derived from the Akkadian word bishtu which means 'nobility' or 'prestige'
This garment is considered a symbol of great honour. It's a status symbol amongst royalty, the wealthy and those with high social rank, much like a cross between ceremonial graduation robes or, in Western terms, wearing a black tuxedo at a special occasion.
When it's the Emir of a country literally gifting you the bisht, putting it on you with his own hands, it's the highest honour that can be bestowed upon that civilian.
It has nothing to do with religion at all.
Messi may not have understood what it meant when he graciously wore it, but it was the Qatari way of recognising him for the GOAT that he is.
Absolutely.
That's why I said in isolation I see it as innocent. I only associate it as a problem because I fundamentally disagree with a number of their laws/principles.
C'mon Jackos. We won't make you wear an Uncle Sam costume. It'll be a MAGA trucker cap and an unironic "America Fuck Yeah!" T-shirt with a soaring eagle on it. Get it right!jackos wrote: ↑Mon Dec 19, 2022 11:55 amSo if England win in '26 and our captain was forced where a Uncle Sam costume while accepting the trophy, or France had been forced to wear a Soviet flag when they won in 2018, you'd have been okay with that?
Its pretty basic for me, such symbols are against FIFA rules, and Messi was forced to wear it in a tournament where other symbols were forbidden. It shouldn't have happened.
The quote and picture lack context. According to "The Quality of Madness" by Tim Rich, Bielsa said these and other words to his Marseille players after they had drawn at home to league leaders Lyon with 9 games of the season left to play, in a match in which Marseille had a player sent off despite playing the ball and apparently scored a goal that the ref decided hadn't crossed the line. Nothing to do with Argentina or Messi.
i knew it was an old quote, it was familiar, but impressive knowledge. the thing is i'm forgetting so many of His little wisdoms. we need some sort of bielsa bible, a little book of his quotes. he managed to tie football behaviour to general impulses that we all feel majestically. i still miss him.Bobbycollins wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 6:18 pm
The quote and picture lack context. According to "The Quality of Madness" by Tim Rich, Bielsa said these and other words to his Marseille players after they had drawn at home to league leaders Lyon with 9 games of the season left to play, in a match in which Marseille had a player sent off despite playing the ball and apparently scored a goal that the ref decided hadn't crossed the line. Nothing to do with Argentina or Messi.