FAC4 - Hope Will Tear Us Apart CK

[Mustafaster]

Result the best thing about that. Comfortable wins are not abundant recently, so many thanks for that.
Marsch made the right decision in fielding a strong side.
What did we learn?
Firpo has to get in the fuckin sea. He looks like a proper footballer. Good athlete, decent ball control, fairly quick , plays with his head up ...
But simply doesn't understand his role. Not a clue. Even the pub-team basics are beyond him. Accrington are a pub-team and they rinsed him.
Wober looks the real deal. Not sure why Koch played today given he can't play against Forest. Let's see who plays alongside at Forest.
Greenwood and Roca are basically the same player, one five yards in front o' 't' other, no sense in having them both in the team.
Summerville lively, not as dangerous as Willy, but who is?
Harrison has played at 10 a couple of times recently, and has looked pretty decent, turns out he has a good eye for a pass, and isn't scared of having a twat, which is nice.
Aaronsen is on the fuckin pipe, totally AWOL. Needs a sit-down.
Good to see Bamford getting up to speed, such an intelligent player.
Rodrigo ... Rodrigo, with all the good and bad points, on the right day a match winner.
Rutter: bloke hasn't played for three months, so was a bit rusty, but on the brief showing looks exciting, reserve judgement.
Can't see any way of having Bamford, Rodrigo and Rutter in the same team, not even two of them.
Let's see if Jessie can square the circle. Big squad now, lots of competition for few places.
Over to the boss.

[Ponte]

Result the best thing about that. Comfortable wins are not abundant recently, so many thanks for that.
Marsch made the right decision in fielding a strong side.
What did we learn?
Firpo has to get in the fuckin sea. He looks like a proper footballer. Good athlete, decent ball control, fairly quick , plays with his head up ...
But simply doesn't understand his role. Not a clue. Even the pub-team basics are beyond him. Accrington are a pub-team and they rinsed him.
Wober looks the real deal. Not sure why Koch played today given he can't play against Forest. Let's see who plays alongside at Forest.
Greenwood and Roca are basically the same player, one five yards in front o' 't' other, no sense in having them both in the team.
Summerville lively, not as dangerous as Willy, but who is?
Harrison has played at 10 a couple of times recently, and has looked pretty decent, turns out he has a good eye for a pass, and isn't scared of having a twat, which is nice.
Aaronsen is on the fuckin pipe, totally AWOL. Needs a sit-down.
Good to see Bamford getting up to speed, such an intelligent player.
Rodrigo ... Rodrigo, with all the good and bad points, on the right day a match winner.
Rutter: bloke hasn't played for three months, so was a bit rusty, but on the brief showing looks exciting, reserve judgement.
Can't see any way of having Bamford, Rodrigo and Rutter in the same team, not even two of them.
Let's see if Jessie can square the circle. Big squad now, lots of competition for few places.
Over to the boss.

Bit harsh on Summerville.

[jackos]

Bit harsh on Summerville.

You think?. Shit cunt you have stayed back at TA in the treatment room.

Was a bit unfair on Roca as well, I didnt even realise Greenwood was on the pitch until after 70 minute

[Trumper]

Harrison in the middle is a better option than Aaronson at the moment who lost all form

[Quiffy]

Result the best thing about that. Comfortable wins are not abundant recently, so many thanks for that.
Marsch made the right decision in fielding a strong side.
What did we learn?
Firpo has to get in the fuckin sea. He looks like a proper footballer. Good athlete, decent ball control, fairly quick , plays with his head up ...
But simply doesn't understand his role. Not a clue. Even the pub-team basics are beyond him. Accrington are a pub-team and they rinsed him.
Wober looks the real deal. Not sure why Koch played today given he can't play against Forest. Let's see who plays alongside at Forest.
Greenwood and Roca are basically the same player, one five yards in front o' 't' other, no sense in having them both in the team.
Summerville lively, not as dangerous as Willy, but who is?
Harrison has played at 10 a couple of times recently, and has looked pretty decent, turns out he has a good eye for a pass, and isn't scared of having a twat, which is nice.
Aaronsen is on the fuckin pipe, totally AWOL. Needs a sit-down.
Good to see Bamford getting up to speed, such an intelligent player.
Rodrigo ... Rodrigo, with all the good and bad points, on the right day a match winner.
Rutter: bloke hasn't played for three months, so was a bit rusty, but on the brief showing looks exciting, reserve judgement.
Can't see any way of having Bamford, Rodrigo and Rutter in the same team, not even two of them.
Let's see if Jessie can square the circle. Big squad now, lots of competition for few places.
Over to the boss.

Bit harsh on Summerville.

[eric olthwaite]

Greenwood’s an odd one. It’s like his feet and brain aren’t properly connected. You see him get the ball and turn for a quick pass, you think, ‘Yes lad, clever’ and then he’s a yard off and passes straight to the opposition. I don’t know whether he’ll get that fixed.

[Terre Harte II]

Watched on replay. Accrington hung in there, looked better early, but never felt threatening.

I'll meet Musta halfway on Firpo. I didn't think he was terrible today, seemed to me? He positions himself angled too much to not giving up the middle and leaves the wing wide-open instead. He's looked solid going forward, obviously with the goal. That said? I never want to see him against Premier League-level talent.

Bamford pass on the Firpo goal was orgasmic. Jackie with the belter. Sinisterra got the just rewards after his screamer was finger-tipped on to the post earlier.

Someone help me with this. The world feed I had (I think Ray Houghton was the analyst and he was fine, not sure who the other dude was) kept saying that Meslier "has his critics". This isn't the first time I've heard this from an English crew. I know they won't, but I'd love for them to cite who is doing the criticizing. Meslier did have a couple of adventures today, but nothing untoward. His critics can fuck off.

And so can the official, whom I thought was shit.

Onward, etc.

[Mustafaster]

Watched on replay. Accrington hung in there, looked better early, but never felt threatening.

I'll meet Musta halfway on Firpo. I didn't think he was terrible today, seemed to me? He positions himself angled too much to not giving up the middle and leaves the wing wide-open instead. He's looked solid going forward, obviously with the goal. That said? I never want to see him against Premier League-level talent.

Bamford pass on the Firpo goal was orgasmic. Jackie with the belter. Sinisterra got the just rewards after his screamer his finger-tipped on to the post earlier.

Someone help me with this. The world feed I had (I think Ray Houghton was the analyst and he was fine, not sure who the other dude was) kept saying that Meslier "has his critics". This isn't the first time I've heard this from an English crew. I know they won't, but I'd love for them to cite who is doing the criticizing. Meslier did have a couple of adventures today, but nothing untoward. His critics can fuck off.

And so can the official, whom I thought was shit.

Onward, etc.

Thing is, there are loads of really world class keepers in the PL, pretty much every one is quality.
Goalkeeper coaching has improved more than any other position.
The bar is very, very high.
He sometimes comes and misses for a cross, not often.
His distribution isn't great, prone to the odd hospital pass.
Occasionally gets beat at the near post.
I'm delighted with him. Proper ice-cold Leeds keeper.

[Terre Harte II]

Watched on replay. Accrington hung in there, looked better early, but never felt threatening.

I'll meet Musta halfway on Firpo. I didn't think he was terrible today, seemed to me? He positions himself angled too much to not giving up the middle and leaves the wing wide-open instead. He's looked solid going forward, obviously with the goal. That said? I never want to see him against Premier League-level talent.

Bamford pass on the Firpo goal was orgasmic. Jackie with the belter. Sinisterra got the just rewards after his screamer his finger-tipped on to the post earlier.

Someone help me with this. The world feed I had (I think Ray Houghton was the analyst and he was fine, not sure who the other dude was) kept saying that Meslier "has his critics". This isn't the first time I've heard this from an English crew. I know they won't, but I'd love for them to cite who is doing the criticizing. Meslier did have a couple of adventures today, but nothing untoward. His critics can fuck off.

And so can the official, whom I thought was shit.

Onward, etc.

Thing is, there are loads of really world class keepers in the PL, pretty much every one is quality.
Goalkeeper coaching has improved more than any other position.
The bar is very, very high.
He sometimes comes and misses for a cross, not often.
His distribution isn't great, prone to the odd hospital pass.
Occasionally gets beat at the near post.
I'm delighted with him. Proper ice-cold Leeds keeper.

His distribution does need a lot of work, but when it comes to actual goalkeeping? He's damn good. (As you say.)

Not picking on you, but the near post thing irks me. Seems like one of those things that has been repeated for years on years and is just a bullshit cliche. Not every near post goal is the same. Some are unforgivable, some are forgivable. Just like any other goal from another other angle.

[Mustafaster]

Thing about the near post goal is, it hurts. It's not a cliche.
You always think you should have done better.
Keepers are trained to cover their near post, because they might have cover at the far post.

[MightyWhite]

I wouldn’t say I hear of Meslier getting roundly criticised, but neither would I say that he’s particularly lauded outside of the Leeds cocoon. Seems to be viewed as a decent but still fairly raw up and comer. Somewhere at, or just below, league average.

[Billy Casper]

He’s 22? Their keeper got MOTM because he’s 21 and made a few saves.

Meslier is excellent for his age and more especially for us. Ramsdale is the only other keeper in the premier that I think is good and he has 9 better outfield players in front of him.

[Phil LUFC]

He’s 22? Their keeper got MOTM because he’s 21 and made a few saves.

Meslier is excellent for his age and more especially for us. Ramsdale is the only other keeper in the premier that I think is good and he has 9 better outfield players in front of him.

I think Meslier is ace but because he's only 22 there's a lot of EPL keepers with know how from experience he doesn't have yet. He's also a better keeper now than he was a year ago.

Definitely than Meslier right now - any of this lot would be worth +5 points easily:
Ramsdale
Martinez
Pope
Ederson
Allison
De Gea

Broadly as good, likely rated better by their fans (some probably are):
Kepa
Mendy
Sanchez
Fabianski
Lloris (though he's always had a high profile mistake in him and is now fading)
Pickford
Raya
Leno
Henderson

Then there's also the young lad at Liverpool, suspect he's a similar level prospect to Meslier maybe technically better but not gaining the experience.

Meslier could be a top drawer keeper over his career but he's a decade short of his eventual peak. Hopefully we can become a Europa League club in time to keep him long term.

[MightyWhite]

Yep can’t argue with that Phil. It’s the reason why I suspect Meslier has been so openly keen to commit his future to us this week. There’s no way he’s remotely close to outgrowing Leeds yet.

[Bobbycollins]

I would be delighted in the majority of Premier League managers believed they already had a better keeper than Meslier, so we can keep him without worry. I don't think he's bad at the near post - the main weakness I spotted last season was his positionings for free kicks near the edge of the penalty area - goals from Shelvey for Newcastle and Cornet for Burnley are examples where I thought he was at fault.

[MightyWhite]

His weaknesses are clearly claiming high balls and distribution. I think the near post thing has long since been solved.

[Terre Harte II]

He likes us too.



I honestly think he's the difference between us shaving promotion a year ago. All of those saves he had to make because our defense was complete garbage. He may be the difference again if we survive.

[welshwhite]

Meslier is tall and thin, I suspect his grip is not as strong as it should be for catching those high crosses.
That can be worked on.

[Billy Casper]

Fatty Foulkes won 2 FA Cups and a league title

[Trumper]

Fatty Foulkes won 2 FA Cups and a league title

Had to look him up..form Wiki…

“Foulke by now was remarkably temperamental. If he thought his defenders were not trying hard enough, he would walk off the field. Opposing forwards who incurred his displeasure would be picked up and thrown bodily into his goal. “