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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby welshwhite » Thu Jan 27, 2022 6:29 pm

Blackwhite wrote:Well, a Galactic-sized If here, but if this is true, then a) Aaronson's coming in the summer and b) might imply the great man is staying...



That If doing so much work there...


'Teamtalk' and 'Football Insider' both read this site to get their latest info :thumbl:

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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby Blackwhite » Thu Jan 27, 2022 6:32 pm

welshwhite wrote:
Blackwhite wrote:Well, a Galactic-sized If here, but if this is true, then a) Aaronson's coming in the summer and b) might imply the great man is staying...



That If doing so much work there...


'Teamtalk' and 'Football Insider' both read this site to get their latest info :thumbl:

That explains why they're both so full of shit.
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Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby Tommy » Thu Jan 27, 2022 6:46 pm

the flying pig wrote:geldhardt is built like a little tank, quite possibly the physically strongest player in our squad

He’s probably up there but I’d have thunk Cresswell would have something to say about it. Probably Struijk & Rodrigo too.

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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby Quiffy » Thu Jan 27, 2022 7:04 pm

Tommy wrote:
the flying pig wrote:geldhardt is built like a little tank, quite possibly the physically strongest player in our squad

He’s probably up there but I’d have thunk Cresswell would have something to say about it. Probably Struijk & Rodrigo too.

that's one of your jokes innit tommy.
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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby welshwhite » Thu Jan 27, 2022 7:09 pm

Another of our youth side off on loan.


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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby Oheddieeddie » Thu Jan 27, 2022 7:29 pm

eric olthwaite wrote:
rss1969 wrote:I think Summerville has the tools to be a right menace in the PL.

He has pace but the key thing with that is acceleration (that is rare) and from a standing start as well.

Good control and dribbling skills give him the ability to unbalance the opponent!

He can finish as well.

He is a more promising version of Ian Poveda.

We would be mugs to let him go.


FTFY


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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby Oheddieeddie » Thu Jan 27, 2022 7:36 pm

Blackwhite wrote:Well, a Galactic-sized If here, but if this is true, then a) Aaronson's coming in the summer and b) might imply the great man is staying...



That If doing so much work there...


Yeah but teamtalk is the shortest of all shitbait sites. Phil Hay has been saying for ages they might be open to losing him in summer, but that’s not nevessarily a done deal either if other clubs come sniffing

Now about Bielsa staying. That would be amazing

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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby Oheddieeddie » Thu Jan 27, 2022 7:46 pm

From a sports science perspective the tendency is now to promote a leaner physique. Think of Rafa Nadal as an example. Strong as he is he’s been shedding kilos throughout his career

It’s now perfectly possible to be equally as strong but a leaner version. The benefits are manyfold but it’s a massive advantage in injury protection/avoidance. A sport like football also tests agility. It’s much easier to rotate and change direction carrying less weight. The benefits of getting off the ground and reaching the ball first should cancel out the sheer mass of a ahem Noel Blake like defender for instance.

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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby MightyWhite » Thu Jan 27, 2022 7:49 pm

Oheddieeddie wrote:From a sports science perspective the tendency is now to promote a leaner physique. Think of Rafa Nadal as an example. Strong as he is he’s been shedding kilos throughout his career

It’s now perfectly possible to be equally as strong but a leaner version. The benefits are manyfold but it’s a massive advantage in injury protection/avoidance. A sport like football also tests agility. It’s much easier to rotate and change direction carrying less weight. The benefits of getting off the ground and reaching the ball first should cancel out the sheer mass of a ahem Noel Blake like defender for instance.


Our waifs should be indestructible then.

Oh. :mrgreen:
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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby Trumper » Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:11 pm

Just offer more for Aranson to come now ffs, he’s not coming if we’re in second division

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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby jackos » Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:32 pm

Oheddieeddie wrote:Yeah but teamtalk is the shortest of all shitbait sites. Phil Hay has been saying for ages they might be open to losing him in summer, but that’s not nevessarily a done deal either if other clubs come sniffing

Now about Bielsa staying. That would be amazing


Biggest problem with dreaming about summer signings is that they ain't coming if we go down. Bielsa on the other hand is more like to stay if we go down :cheers:
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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby Blackwhite » Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:34 pm

Oheddieeddie wrote:Yeah but teamtalk is the shortest of all shitbait sites.

Not like you to be so sizeist, but whatevs.


I'm looking for reasons for optimism on most of it TBF.
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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby eric olthwaite » Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:18 pm

All bullshit I’m sure:



But would you rather have Origi than Minamino?
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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby Oheddieeddie » Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:45 pm

Blackwhite wrote:
Oheddieeddie wrote:Yeah but teamtalk is the shortest of all shitbait sites.

Not like you to be so sizeist, but whatevs.


I'm looking for reasons for optimism on most of it TBF.


Sizeist moi? Never

Although I wouldn’t mind that Tamogotchi Minimise-o from Liverpool

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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby MightyWhite » Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:17 am



Not overly chuffed with this, if I’m honest.
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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby dirty leeds » Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:52 am

Not overly surprised, either.
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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby eric olthwaite » Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:39 am

MightyWhite wrote:Not overly chuffed with this, if I’m honest.


dirty leeds wrote:Not overly surprised, either.


I change my mind on all this shit on a daily basis TBH.

On the one hand I'm Team Tommy: January transfers are shit value; getting a player to integrate quickly is challenging unless they're already at the very highest level; there's really not much chance of us getting relegated so let's not bother unless there's an explicitly clear long term benefit.

One the other I think there's not a lot of harm in spunking say £15m on two lower league players (UK or EU) as squad padding to cover ongoing crises and on the off chance that one of them turns out genuinely good.

I think I'd rather that than the current endless pursuit of one player who might be a bit of another Dan James - a fat wedge of cash, useful to some extent, but possibly not demonstrably ideal value for money.
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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby Phil LUFC » Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:00 am

eric olthwaite wrote:
MightyWhite wrote:Not overly chuffed with this, if I’m honest.


dirty leeds wrote:Not overly surprised, either.


I change my mind on all this shit on a daily basis TBH.

On the one hand I'm Team Tommy: January transfers are shit value; getting a player to integrate quickly is challenging unless they're already at the very highest level; there's really not much chance of us getting relegated so let's not bother unless there's an explicitly clear long term benefit.

One the other I think there's not a lot of harm in spunking say £15m on two lower league players (UK or EU) as squad padding to cover ongoing crises and on the off chance that one of them turns out genuinely good.

I think I'd rather that than the current endless pursuit of one player who might be a bit of another Dan James - a fat wedge of cash, useful to some extent, but possibly not demonstrably ideal value for money.

I'm broadly here too. Although I think Dan James is working out well enough when you consider what £30m generally gets you these days (even a decent loan can cost £10m for a season these days, scum want £15m from Newcastle for Lingard on loan Inc £12m bonus if they stay up).

We've got a huge gap between the best of the U23s and the established first team and it'd be nice to bridge it but also we definitely need to be playing 1 or 2 of the kids every week if we expect them to save us a fortune for next season.

My flip side is: If we can get someone in who's good enough to stop Bielsa playing Rodrigo in midfield then I'm all for it.

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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby eric olthwaite » Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:16 am

Phil LUFC wrote:
eric olthwaite wrote:One the other I think there's not a lot of harm in spunking say £15m on two lower league players (UK or EU) as squad padding to cover ongoing crises and on the off chance that one of them turns out genuinely good.


I'm broadly here too. Although I think Dan James is working out well enough when you consider what £30m generally gets you these days . . .

My flip side is: If we can get someone in who's good enough to stop Bielsa playing Rodrigo in midfield then I'm all for it.


Yeah, ultimately I think that - whilst it sounds ridiculous to you or I - £10m for a player is chump change in the PL. The idea that you can build a squad (rather than a team) solely by paying £30m+ for guaranteed first team starters and by bring kids through just doesn't feel like it works. You have to have the bit part players in the background.
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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby MightyWhite » Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:28 am

Re: Dan James, it’s obviously early days but were he to maintain his current standard and be a first team contributor for the remains of his 4.5 year contract I’d say it would have been worth the outlay. Of course, with James you have that tantalising factor of him having only just turned 24 and so could/should develop into something better.
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