The late night prime time showing at Elland Road Cyberkop

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Re: The late night prime time showing at Elland Road Cyberkop

Postby topbin » Wed Dec 01, 2021 11:53 am

I keep thinking about Forshaw. How has someone who's been out of the game for 2 years managed to put in these performances? It doesn't make any sense, he should be so rusty/off the pace, and every fibre of my being had him as being someone to use in an emergency this season and would get a couple of little injuries keeping him out most of the year with some small appearances (Shackleton style).

If he can keep this up a couple of months we really need to look at his contract sooner rather than later.

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Re: The late night prime time showing at Elland Road Cyberkop

Postby welshwhite » Wed Dec 01, 2021 12:36 pm

topbin wrote:I keep thinking about Forshaw. How has someone who's been out of the game for 2 years managed to put in these performances? It doesn't make any sense, he should be so rusty/off the pace, and every fibre of my being had him as being someone to use in an emergency this season and would get a couple of little injuries keeping him out most of the year with some small appearances (Shackleton style).

If he can keep this up a couple of months we really need to look at his contract sooner rather than later.


I look at what he's now worth to us, he's gonna save us a heap of cash in the transfer window. Money that can now be used on a different position.

To use the old chestnut {He's just like a new signing}.

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Re: The late night prime time showing at Elland Road Cyberkop

Postby the flying pig » Wed Dec 01, 2021 1:04 pm

topbin wrote:I keep thinking about Forshaw. How has someone who's been out of the game for 2 years managed to put in these performances? It doesn't make any sense, he should be so rusty/off the pace, and every fibre of my being had him as being someone to use in an emergency this season and would get a couple of little injuries keeping him out most of the year with some small appearances (Shackleton style).

If he can keep this up a couple of months we really need to look at his contract sooner rather than later.


the strangest thing about it is that, whilst his transfer wasn't cheap by our standards of the day, he was by no means a universally feted or admired member of our not-getting-promoted championship team. so for him to pop up as a seemingly key top tier player is baffling.

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Re: The late night prime time showing at Elland Road Cyberkop

Postby Phil LUFC » Wed Dec 01, 2021 1:31 pm

the flying pig wrote:
topbin wrote:I keep thinking about Forshaw. How has someone who's been out of the game for 2 years managed to put in these performances? It doesn't make any sense, he should be so rusty/off the pace, and every fibre of my being had him as being someone to use in an emergency this season and would get a couple of little injuries keeping him out most of the year with some small appearances (Shackleton style).

If he can keep this up a couple of months we really need to look at his contract sooner rather than later.


the strangest thing about it is that, whilst his transfer wasn't cheap by our standards of the day, he was by no means a universally feted or admired member of our not-getting-promoted championship team. so for him to pop up as a seemingly key top tier player is baffling.

The injury meant we didn't see much of it but there was something Stuart Dallas about those opening promotion season games. For Dallas it started in the playoffs but neither did anything of note in Bielsa's first season, they were just there, quietly picking up minutes.

Forshaw was really exceptional in that short spell before getting injured.

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Re: The late night prime time showing at Elland Road Cyberkop

Postby Bobbycollins » Wed Dec 01, 2021 1:44 pm

I was never a big fan of Forshaw when he played in the Championship, as he seemed to give the ball away too frequently near our penalty area. However his shooting just prior to the injury was improving and a first goal didn't seem far away, as (unlike Tyro) he seemed to be aiming just inside the posts rather than straight at the keeper. Perhaps the improvement now is that he is concentrating on doing simple things well, rather than trying too hard to show his Premier League quality in the Championship. I think I prefer Klich and Dallas as starters in midfield but Forshaw is currently a reliable player to being on in order to stabilise midfield.

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Re: The late night prime time showing at Elland Road Cyberkop

Postby AndyPaul » Wed Dec 01, 2021 1:49 pm

Bobbycollins wrote: I think I prefer Klich and Dallas as starters in midfield but Forshaw is currently a reliable player to being on in order to stabilise midfield.


Klich has been dreadful this season. Not sure what's wrong with him, maybe last season he was playing above himself and he's actually out of his depth now? He's definitely just a bench warmer at present but he may turn it around.

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Re: The late night prime time showing at Elland Road Cyberkop

Postby Bobbycollins » Wed Dec 01, 2021 2:44 pm

AndyPaul wrote:
Bobbycollins wrote: I think I prefer Klich and Dallas as starters in midfield but Forshaw is currently a reliable player to being on in order to stabilise midfield.


Klich has been dreadful this season. Not sure what's wrong with him, maybe last season he was playing above himself and he's actually out of his depth now? He's definitely just a bench warmer at present but he may turn it around.

I think Klich was good against Everton and took his goal well but missed the next couple of games with Covid and doesn't seem to have had the same spark since returning. This is similar to Harrison this season and Rodrigo last year, with both missing games through Covid and being poor afterwards. I blame Sky TV.

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Re: The late night prime time showing at Elland Road Cyberkop

Postby jackos » Wed Dec 01, 2021 3:14 pm

See that Marching Out Together have come put against "Rent Boy" chants aimed at Gallagher last night, and twiiter is pilling on. Honest question, I've not sung it, but I have sung a lot worse. Is "rent boy" homophobic? I thought it was aimed at their players selling themselves? (Prostitutes not Gays)
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Re: The late night prime time showing at Elland Road Cyberkop

Postby Devi » Wed Dec 01, 2021 3:47 pm

jackos wrote: Is "rent boy" homophobic?


I'd suggest that the pejorative nature of any chant targeting an opposition player that, in this instance, hell yeah it's homophobic. There is no way it was being sung as a matter of fact, instead as a vindictive sleight.
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Re: The late night prime time showing at Elland Road Cyberkop

Postby Phil LUFC » Wed Dec 01, 2021 4:02 pm

Devi wrote:
jackos wrote: Is "rent boy" homophobic?


I'd suggest that the pejorative nature of any chant targeting an opposition player that, in this instance, hell yeah it's homophobic. There is no way it was being sung as a matter of fact, instead as a vindictive sleight.

I'm with J here, it's a term for male prostitute without an automatic connotation the customers are also male so not convinced it's homophobic but it's not a hill I intend to die on. Particularly when you'd have to say calling an opposition player a prostitute is also offensive and shouldn't be happening.

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Re: The late night prime time showing at Elland Road Cyberkop

Postby Billy Casper » Wed Dec 01, 2021 4:05 pm

Buggered if I'd go there
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Re: The late night prime time showing at Elland Road Cyberkop

Postby the flying pig » Wed Dec 01, 2021 4:08 pm

Marching Out Together are plainly far better placed than any of us to judge the chant's offensiveness.

But I'd tend to agree that it didn't feel like the very worst slur/hatecrime of all time - although there's plainly not much of a 'hetero' market for male sex workers, aren't many "rent boys" primarliy 'gay for pay'? And AFAIK there's no particular suggestion that the player is homosexual. The primary target of the chant was Chelsea FC's rather distasteful for-profit policy of keeping many dozens of senior players 'on their books' & loaned out to various places.

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Re: The late night prime time showing at Elland Road Cyberkop

Postby Blackwhite » Wed Dec 01, 2021 4:40 pm

Billy Casper wrote:Buggered if I'd go there

:cheers:

Rent boy is homophobic, yeah. Nobody ever called a guy with female customers a rent boy: that's gigolo.
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Re: The late night prime time showing at Elland Road Cyberkop

Postby eric olthwaite » Wed Dec 01, 2021 5:00 pm

jackos wrote:See that Marching Out Together have come put against "Rent Boy" chants aimed at Gallagher last night, and twiiter is pilling on. Honest question, I've not sung it, but I have sung a lot worse. Is "rent boy" homophobic? I thought it was aimed at their players selling themselves? (Prostitutes not Gays)


I guess the argument goes that ‘rent boy’ has a long history of use as a homophobic slur and that therefore, although the intended meaning against Gallagher is specific and not in itself related to sexuality, it can’t easily be divorced from the established meaning.

Short answer: meh, but always better to exercise discretion. ‘Shit Chelsea reject’ would have done.
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Re: The late night prime time showing at Elland Road Cyberkop

Postby Bobbycollins » Wed Dec 01, 2021 5:15 pm

The word "reject" is clearly used to upset the delicate sensibilities of the player, suggesting that his worth is questionable. Wouldn't "Shit Chelsea player who talent is as yet not fully recognised by his pimp" be preferable?

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Re: The late night prime time showing at Elland Road Cyberkop

Postby Phil LUFC » Wed Dec 01, 2021 5:30 pm

Bobbycollins wrote:The word "reject" is clearly used to upset the delicate sensibilities of the player, suggesting that his worth is questionable. Wouldn't "Shit Chelsea player who talent is as yet not fully recognised by his pimp" be preferable?

"We think you might actually be quite good but you turned us down so we'd appreciate it if you could have a poor game, sorry" would seem to be more accurate?

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Re: The late night prime time showing at Elland Road Cyberkop

Postby MightyWhite » Wed Dec 01, 2021 5:34 pm

Was expecting this to flare up. My view of it is:

1, Liverpool got pulled over the media coals over this a few months ago. It was made very clear at that time by very many people that it could be viewed as a homophobic slur and should stop.

2, The chant in the South Stand was fairly muted and sparse. It was noticeable how many individuals in the stand kind of turned to each other cringing and looking sheepish in response. Clearly the majority of Leeds fans, even in the lairy end, recognised it was beyond the pale.
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Re: The late night prime time showing at Elland Road Cyberkop

Postby Terre Harte II » Wed Dec 01, 2021 5:44 pm

Reading more about this, including the Liverpool stuff, I guess it has been directed at Chelsea specifically for a while?

Disappointing, but obviously a part of wider football culture, not just Leeds specifically. Doesn’t make it right though.
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Re: The late night prime time showing at Elland Road Cyberkop

Postby Bobbycollins » Wed Dec 01, 2021 6:14 pm

Isn't this story being taken rather more seriously than it deserves? From the Kop, I didn't hear the chant and reading the reports it seems to fall under the "fans hurl abuse at opposition player shock" rather than being an attack on the LGBT community. It seems a bit strange that fans can chant "You're just a shit, scum bastard" at Zaha and any other ex-scum player (apart from our Dan) and that passes without comment. I suppose what we need is an independent regulator of football fans.

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Re: The late night prime time showing at Elland Road Cyberkop

Postby Blackwhite » Wed Dec 01, 2021 6:15 pm

Terre Harte II wrote:Reading more about this, including the Liverpool stuff, I guess it has been directed at Chelsea specifically for a while?

Disappointing, but obviously a part of wider football culture, not just Leeds specifically. Doesn’t make it right though.

TBF though you ARE a septic... I remember someone from the states I worked with going extremely wide eyed at a couple of examples of kop wit - iirc "you're dad's a cunt and so are you" and anything where you just called someone a cunt and there was no other info had them particularly confused.
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