t'premier leeg.

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Re: t'premier leeg.

Postby jackos » Sat Oct 16, 2021 9:17 pm

Been chatting to my mates back home, including a few season ticket holders, and while all of us hope we'll stay up, none of us dread the thought of going down. What's the point of a league where the top clubs are owned by sovereign wealth funds and billionaires, where the top players earn 400K a week, and where we have very little chance of keeping hold of our top players?
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Re: t'premier leeg.

Postby Phil LUFC » Sat Oct 16, 2021 9:47 pm

Well, the last point is no less true at any lower level. But there's not a lot of point in being a mid table nothing club indefinitely, if we're staying here we need to be competing for Europe more often than not otherwise we may as well be a West Brom/Norwich yo-yo club and really enjoy every other year.

Like you I don't fear relegation the way I used to but let's be honest, the championship is pretty shit.

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Re: t'premier leeg.

Postby jackos » Sat Oct 16, 2021 10:00 pm

Phil LUFC wrote:Like you I don't fear relegation the way I used to but let's be honest, the championship is pretty shit.


Championship is okay if you're winning every week, which is what the yoyo clubs have to look forward to if they do it properly. Its finishing outside the top six that is really shit. Big away allocations, relatively easy to get tickets, and players on money that we can at least relate to is all pretty good, and if you're a top Championship side you stand less chance of losing your best players to Burnley and Bournemouth
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Re: t'premier leeg.

Postby eric olthwaite » Sat Oct 16, 2021 10:32 pm

Phil LUFC wrote:otherwise we may as well be a West Brom/Norwich yo-yo club and really enjoy every other year.


Do you really enjoy the year of being top of the league and getting promoted or the one being dogshit every week and getting relegated?
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Re: t'premier leeg.

Postby Bobbycollins » Sat Oct 16, 2021 10:59 pm

I'm not sure our record as a yo-yo club stands up to much scrutiny, Basically we go down and that's it. The first time we were out of the top flight for 8 years, the second time it was 16 years. I certainly don't want relegation but I also don't think it's likely, as once we have more of our better players available, we'll start to control games again..

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Re: t'premier leeg.

Postby Trumper » Sun Oct 17, 2021 1:40 am

Stuff yo-yo, aim should be something like Everton, comfortably survive, usually mid table with occasionally sneak into non CL euro comps.

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Re: t'premier leeg.

Postby MightyWhite » Sun Oct 17, 2021 6:15 am

Bobbycollins wrote:I'm not sure our record as a yo-yo club stands up to much scrutiny, Basically we go down and that's it. The first time we were out of the top flight for 8 years, the second time it was 16 years. I certainly don't want relegation but I also don't think it's likely, as once we have more of our better players available, we'll start to control games again..


Aye. Other clubs, with pragmatic fans who are just happy with their lot in life, can do the yo-yo. The Leeds fan base will have ripped each other and the team apart in the event of a relegation. The toxicity will almost certainly lead to more years of obscurity. Best to stick it out where we are I reckon
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Re: t'premier leeg.

Postby AndyPaul » Sun Oct 17, 2021 6:16 am

Trumper wrote:Stuff yo-yo, aim should be something like Everton, comfortably survive, usually mid table with occasionally sneak into non CL euro comps.


Yep, realistically without huge money this what we should be aspiring to over the next 5 years

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Re: t'premier leeg.

Postby Terre Harte II » Sun Oct 17, 2021 6:47 am

jackos wrote:
Phil LUFC wrote:Like you I don't fear relegation the way I used to but let's be honest, the championship is pretty shit.


Championship is okay if you're winning every week, which is what the yoyo clubs have to look forward to if they do it properly. Its finishing outside the top six that is really shit. Big away allocations, relatively easy to get tickets, and players on money that we can at least relate to is all pretty good, and if you're a top Championship side you stand less chance of losing your best players to Burnley and Bournemouth
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Jesus, fuck that noise hard. I have zero desire to be a yo-yo club. I'd rather have mid-table mediocrity at the top table over that anyday.

Of course, I'd rather have bottom of the top 10 stability above all which is not an ambition that is above this club as presently constituted.

Financially, prestige-wise, etc., there's just no comparison. I would think 16 years in the shit would have driven that point home very clearly for all.

Also, as a foreign fan, I very much like being able to watch Leeds every week for the cost of a streaming service membership. In the championship, it is catch as catch can and a pain in the ass just to follow the club at all.
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Re: t'premier leeg.

Postby AndyPaul » Sun Oct 17, 2021 7:52 am

Just watching match of the day. Its seems the two options for a stable PL club are a Leicester, boring stadium, goal music, clapping thingys. Arsenal, boring stadium, no atmosphere, polite clapping when there is a goal. Not that I think going back to the championship to play fucking Reading for all eternity is an option I'd want.

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Re: t'premier leeg.

Postby Phil LUFC » Sun Oct 17, 2021 8:06 am

eric olthwaite wrote:
Phil LUFC wrote:otherwise we may as well be a West Brom/Norwich yo-yo club and really enjoy every other year.


Do you really enjoy the year of being top of the league and getting promoted or the one being dogshit every week and getting relegated?

I assume so, for a few rounds at least. We might find out one day. The only thing I'm sure of is that I'm not keen on seasons which are effectively over by Easter (unless the aim is avoid relegation, then it's a relief).

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Re: t'premier leeg.

Postby Phil LUFC » Sun Oct 17, 2021 8:07 am

Bobbycollins wrote:I'm not sure our record as a yo-yo club stands up to much scrutiny, Basically we go down and that's it. The first time we were out of the top flight for 8 years, the second time it was 16 years. I certainly don't want relegation but I also don't think it's likely, as once we have more of our better players available, we'll start to control games again..

Indeed, we traditionally yo-yo in decades.

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Re: t'premier leeg.

Postby jackos » Sun Oct 17, 2021 8:24 am

Terre Harte II wrote:
Jesus, fuck that noise hard. I have zero desire to be a yo-yo club. I'd rather have mid-table mediocrity at the top table over that anyday.

Of course, I'd rather have bottom of the top 10 stability above all which is not an ambition that is above this club as presently constituted.

Financially, prestige-wise, etc., there's just no comparison. I would think 16 years in the shit would have driven that point home very clearly for all.

Also, as a foreign fan, I very much like being able to watch Leeds every week for the cost of a streaming service membership. In the championship, it is catch as catch can and a pain in the ass just to follow the club at all.


I couldn't give a toss about that type of prestige, I care about the match day experience, taking my kids to games, feeling part of the club. I'll admit that flying to England to watch a bottom half Championship side lose to Rotherham on a Tuesday evening wasn't 100% "fun", but the answer is not attracting millions of fans from China and billionaire investment from Saudis.

I do think it's important for Leeds, the City, to have an EPL club. The prestige is massive. It generates jobs and gives Loiners more pride in the city, really its a must have for a City like Leeds, but I personally am totally nonplussed about it. Not saying I hope we go down, only that I won't be that upset if we do. We waited 16 years for Marcelo to take us home, I could hardly speak for a week after we lost to Rotherham that Easter game, I just don't feel that passionate about staying up.

(Why couldn't you see games in the Championship? My mates in the States saw virtually all our games, either on ESPN or LUTV. I'd much rather give my dosh to the club than Sky or a Swedish steaming service)
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Re: t'premier leeg.

Postby barry white » Sun Oct 17, 2021 10:17 am

I enjoyed Brentford v Chelski.
Brentford were like we used to be.
They've got midfielders too!

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Re: t'premier leeg.

Postby AndyPaul » Sun Oct 17, 2021 10:43 am

16 years out of the PL, the football was fucking garbage on the whole. I used to read a whole issue of TSB by half time as I couldn't bare to watch the game. Getting Bielsa was an anomaly. You won't get that quaility manager in that league. We played some good stuff under Grayson however there was also a load of shite. The West Brom manager looks like a good manager but they are dreadful to watch. We'll stay in the PL, we're going through a rough patch but the idea that football in the championship is a better experience (excluding Bielsa) is ridiculous. Other than easier to get tickets but there's a good reason for that.

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Re: t'premier leeg.

Postby eric olthwaite » Sun Oct 17, 2021 10:48 am

If I’d stuck with my early childhood allegiance to Oxford United, I’d never have had these concerns.
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Re: t'premier leeg.

Postby the flying pig » Sun Oct 17, 2021 10:56 am

Phil LUFC wrote:
Bobbycollins wrote:I'm not sure our record as a yo-yo club stands up to much scrutiny, Basically we go down and that's it. The first time we were out of the top flight for 8 years, the second time it was 16 years. I certainly don't want relegation but I also don't think it's likely, as once we have more of our better players available, we'll start to control games again..

Indeed, we traditionally yo-yo in decades.


yeah, more sine wave than yoyo

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Re: t'premier leeg.

Postby the flying pig » Sun Oct 17, 2021 11:06 am

a promotion season is certainly more enjoyable than any other outside of winning a big trophy. and dropping out of the top tier can be very enjoyable if it has novelty value. but repeated seasons of lower league mid table mediocrity is nowhere near as good as 'just making up the numbers' in the top flight, not nearly.

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Re: t'premier leeg.

Postby Bnimble » Sun Oct 17, 2021 3:35 pm

Newcastle. That Staveley woman. Embarrassing.

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Re: t'premier leeg.

Postby AndyPaul » Sun Oct 17, 2021 3:49 pm

Bnimble wrote:Newcastle. That Staveley woman. Embarrassing.


When you've obviously had some work done you'd want to look a lot bloody better than that!


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